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Teachers response to wanting a 504 plan

Discussion in 'Parents of Children with Type 1' started by sweetlife, Nov 9, 2011.

  1. sweetlife

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    Hi - my daughter was diagnosed with type1 on 9/21/11. We are in a year round school, so she attended school for one week after diagnosed and was then tracked out (on vacation) for 3 weeks before we went back on Oct. 24th. Since her return to school, her father and I felt it would be in her best interest to have a 504 in place. We were told to contact her teacher and her school counselor to get the ball rolling. I opened up my email to find this response from her teacher, "We will help you with the 504 plan and can get what is needed in place for 3rd grade. It doesn't really matter in 2nd grade b/c we do not have standardized testing." I'm new to all of this and would love some feedback on her response. My initial gut instinct is a bit defensive and I find myself annoyed at her comment that it "doesn't really matter" . Your take on this would be helpful. I'm not sure how or if I should even respond to her email...

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  2. Butterfly Betty

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    I'm taking it your daughter is in 2nd grade? IMO, I think her response is wrong. There is so much you need to consider now. Things like, if she needs to test in school will she be allowed to do so in the classroom or does the nurse need to come to her? IF she has to go to the nurse, she needs someone to go with her. How to treat lows. Those are just a few examples.

    Now, that said, we don't have a 504 plan in place, but when Sophie was diagnosed, her teachers, and most of the ones above and below her, made it clear to us that they'd be willing to do what they could to make things easier. I simply printed off a ton of information for them to have and they can contact me if they have questions. It's worked for us, but I do think 504 plan is a value to have in place.
     
  3. Ndiggs

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    My wife is a reading specialist/interventionist teacher here in Mi and depending on how responsive the schools is to her needs without the 504 I am inclined to agree with the Teacher in this case. She runs into needing a formal 504 when it comes to issues with accommodations on formal testing not day to day class stuff.

    If they are meeting all her needs presently and are willing to accommodate and take care of her with no issues, than taking some additional time to get it in place before 3rd grade should not be an issue.

    Now if they are not meeting her needs INSIST on the 504 and don't stop until they implement it.

    Just my 2 cents worth, form living with someone who deals with this from the schools point of view everyday and also from the point of view as a Dad with a little one who is Type 1, and we struggle to control sugars
     
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    we've had a 504 since kindergarten, where there is obviously no testing like that. Get it no matter what the teacher thinks, the doctor will write up a diabetes management plan and the 504 will make sure they follow it. We've dealt with stupid subs and we can always go back to the 504 to make sure they know why he needs a snack, to go to the bathroom, etc.
     
  5. Becky Stevens mom

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    If your daughter is in a public school then she can have a 504 plan in any grade. My son did not have one in pre-k but we felt that when he entered kindergarten he needed one. A 504 plan includes much more then issues with standardized testing although that is an important aspect of the 504. Here is more info and examples of plans http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/504/
     
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    I agree with Becky.

    That said, my second grader does not have a 504 plan because we are able to address everything we need to in her care plan. I do intend to establish a 504 plan next year when she begins standardized testing.
     
  7. szofa12yrold

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    We don't have a 504, we have an IEP. Put your request in writing. Date it and send it directly to the principal. At least with an IEP, and I imagine a 504 as well, by law they have to respond within a certain time frame. As soon as I did that, the conversations and delays, avoidance etc. ended and we got it done ;) quick and proper and no arguments.
     
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    Here is a really good source for sample 504s by grade level. A 504 is not specific to testing accommodations. It covers all accommodations required so your CWD can have as normal a school life as possible.

    http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/504/
     
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    This was us, I met with the 504 coordinator in January to have Will's in affect for 3rd grade.

    Where are you in NC? PM me if you are in the mountains!
     
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    I would insist on it. The 504 covers more than just testing. It pretty much covers EVERYTHING your child needs whilst in the school's care.

    My son is in 2nd grade, and they are already doing a lot more testing this year in preparation for all the standardized testing they'll do next year. Also, the 504 will covers things like field trips and bus rides, bathroom breaks etc...

    Once you have it in place it will follow your child throughout elementary school, better to get it done now and have this year to tweak it as necessary before the next grade.
     
  11. sweetlife

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    Thank you all so much for your replies. My daughter is in 2nd grade & many people in her school have been great. We are having a few issues with her teacher & our overall
    feeling is that she just doesn't get it & when we try to discuss things she gets defensive. Our desire to have the 504 is to make sure we are all very clear on what my daughters needs are & that they are met with as little room for misunderstanding as possible. We want things laid out for our understanding as much as theirs.
     
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    Thank you all so much for your responses. Yes my daughter is in 2nd grade, and many people in her school have been very supportive. However, we do feel some resistance from her teacher and our overall feeling is that she just doesn't get the severity of the disease. When we try to discuss different things regarding my DD's care, we are met with a bit of defensiveness and resistance. We just feel putting a 504 in place will allow us all to sit down together to go over all the details so we are all on the same page and we feel our daughter is being looked after to the best of their abilities. This plan is as much for our peace of mind as it is for her care. I know a 504 plan cannot keep her safe, I know in the end it's just a piece of paper, but having it in place makes me feel that I am doing all that I can for her given the circumstances with her current teacher. Again, thank you all so much for your advise!!
     
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    Some of that defensiveness and resistance may be because she is concerned about dealing with all the things she needs to regarding her classroom AND your daughter's medical needs as well. The more at ease you can put her about her responsibilites the better. Education about Type 1 can go a long way to reduce her concerns. Hopefully there are other staff people who will also be able to assist in the care of your daughter. Good luck.
     
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    Technically the school cannot deny your request to hold a 504 meeting. Usually the request is made to the principal and/or the 504 coordinator at the school. The teacher cannot tell you that you cannot do it this year or whatever - she can give her opinion of course.

    I would write a letter to the principal requesting the 504 plan. As others noted, it covers way more than standardized testing. In fact, if your school is only putting in place 504 plans to use JUST for kids who need it on standardized tests - this is illegal. The same testing requirements must be in place for all tests - not just standardized tests. The statement by the teacher makes me think the school is misusing the 504 to give accommodations only for standardized tests if that is all they think they are good for.

    I would just point out to the teacher that fact.

    I wrote this post awhile back but check it out - and also go to the link in there to the ADA - there are some ADA documents on that page that are a HUGE help in getting the school to understand the importance of the 504 plan and how your child is eligible.

    And let's hope they aren't just writing up 504 accommodations for kids just for standardized testing - I hope your school's 504 coordinator knows better.:rolleyes:
     
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    A 504 is about providing your daughter the accommodations she might need in order to have equal access to the educational opportunities provided by her school. While test taking accommodations are a part of a 504, they are a small and, on a dad-in-day-out sense, an insignificant part of the plan.

    A 504 can afford your dd protection to do, and have done for her, what needs to be done concerning her D in order for her to have the same opportunities to learn. This can mean a school nurse going on field trips, the ability to eat and drink where others are not allowed to, the right to use the bathroom as frequently as needed, to participate in school parties and not have an uninformed teacher deny her the cupcake that everyone else is having and so on and so on and so on.

    Read up on them, check your state regulations on the ADA site and be persistent. Good luck!
     
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    I, too have a 2nd grader in NC schools. They NEED a 504, if not and IEP. We have had to hire a lawyer twice (1st and 2nd grade) to get our son's needs met. There is a "NC template for Diabetes care Plan" that can be attached to a 504 plan. We had issues regarding ADHD as well, so my son had 2 components to his.
    They have assessments in 2nd grade that impact your child's future and I would make sure that BS is in range for ANY testing.
    Our son ended up qualifying for an IEP (found out he needed OT therapy for handwriting).
    PM me if you have any questions. I have contacts at DPI that can help.
     
  18. sweetlife

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    Thanks again everyone for all the advise & support!

    @ selketine - fortunately I do not think the school is doing 504 plans only when testing in concerned. I have actually not had any resistance from the 504 coordinator or the office staff, just a little push back from the teacher. In the end we'll have the 504 in place :).

    @christopher - I just want to acknowledge your point. Teachers have a lot on their plate and I try to be sensitive to all the roles they have to play. I used to be an elementary teacher before being an at home mom, so I get how hard it can be. I want to work with her and not have a combative relationship. I think it would benefit both of us and my daughter if we could sit down and get everything written out and squared away. For me, a 504 is the direction I want to go. I'm hoping she doesn't feel it's an act of blame or an accusation that she isn't a good teacher... I've tried to make this clear to her.. hopefully she understands.. I am fortunate to have other staff educated in diabetes and they have been very helpful so far on this journey.
     
  19. Christopher

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    I totally understand and agree with you.

    I think you have the right attitude and mindset to get this all worked out.

    I didn't realize there was a 504 coordinator. I guess it puzzles me now why you were initially told to go to the teacher and school counselor to "get the ball rolling"?

    I realize the teacher is a part of the whole process, but I would imagine the 504 coordinator would be the liaison between the staff and you. But maybe that is not the way it works there.
     
  20. sweetlife

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    @ Christopher - my fault for not clarifying. Our 504 coordinator is also our school counselor. Ahhh the many hats of educators :).
     

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