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Can someone explain the Orange Juice thing?

Discussion in 'Parents of Children with Type 1' started by joyfulheart, Dec 11, 2008.

  1. joyfulheart

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    the orange juice thing -- Didn't work????

    ** I just changed the title to update it a little.

    Update at bottom of thread....



    I read on a post that a mom who suspected her child had diabetes was heading to the doctors, and someone recommended giving the child a big glass of Orange juice on the way...

    Does it only work on diabetics? Is that an indicator?

    If you give your child some, wont they discount the high numbers becuase of the juice you just gave the child? Do you wait a bit afterwards, like 2 hours or something? (Of course, my son passed his 2 hour glucose test just fine! AARGH!!!!)

    I'm seriously considering giving my son some orange juice so the doctor can see what we see at home.

    Right now, I'm frustrated because he passed all his labwork, yet at home he's up and down like crazy.
     
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  2. Emma'sDad

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    mummyof4 is going through something very similar. The theory behind the OJ is that you reproduce what you are seeing to show the doctor's that do not listen to you that you are not nuts, that this is really happening! It doesn't have to be OJ, it's anything that triggers the high in your child. Who knows, it could be an allergy to that item or something, but the doctors go by the D tests that they trust and if they come out negative, then it's negative.
     
  3. Amy C.

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    Drinking OJ should not produce a high blood sugar in a person who does not have diabetes. A functioning pancreas can deal with an infusion of glucose by releasing the appropriate amount of insulin. An impaired pancreas doesn't do this so well.
     
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    When my son was diagnosed at two years old he had been eating Fruit Loops and drinking juice on the way to the doctor's office. Actually he was still eating it at the office. I asked if that could make his number high when she mentioned testing his blood. The doctor said that if it wasn't diabetes it wouldn't cause a high number.
     
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    The folks here on this board usually recommend carbing your child up before going to replicate the #'s you are seeing. Like Emma's Dad, Amy, and Lynn said - if your child does not have D, then those things - like OJ, Regular Soda, Candy (not chocolate though) Sugary Cereal, etc will not affect the Blood Sugar. Your goal is to get the doc to see the Higher then Normal #!
     
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    When our dd was diagnosed at our local ER her bg was just over 200. The dr there told us that you *might* see a bg 150 in a non-d child if it was Halloween and they just ate 3 big bags of candy.

    When we got to Children's they gave her Cocoa Puffs and Cheese Curls to see what effect it would have-real scientific, huh?-and she spiked to 600. So even the doctors use a food test.
     
  7. Heather(CA)

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    That was me that mentioned OJ in the other thread...
    In a non D person your blood sugar doesn't normally go up into the high range, not even when you drink a big glass of Orange juice. When D is first starting sugars can go up then come back down on their own, so even though she was seeing bg's in the 150's. by the time she was able to see a doc they would/could come back down. If your high, they wont ignore you, not even if they know you drank juice because a non-D body would have dealt with the juice efficiently.

    My friends daughter was having symptoms, she tested her on the meter she had had when she had Gestational D. She was in the 200's but the test strips were old. Her Doc wasn't taking her seriously so I told her to do the Orange juice thing I said in the post, except she went to her urgent care...She was 500 after the OJ and was dx'd that day I wish we had been wrong, but at least she was dx'd so she could start feeling better.

    I forgot to mention that I had her drink the OJ on the way to urgent care...
     
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    There is something called a glucose tolerance test (GTT), which doctors in old times used to do. It involves taking a mega dose of glucose (75 gms?) and then testing every 30 minutes after that, for the next 2 hours. That makes it sound more scientific than the bag of cheese curls! I imagine the oj does the same thing.

    Normal blood tests sometimes miss glucose intolerance - i.e. fasting levels could be fine, but PP levels are not, or vice versa. Or it could be that there are spikes in between (which is why they test every 30 minutes). The glucose intolerance, if I understand right could possibly mean a pre-diabetic condition. Or if the fasting/PP levels are way above the norm, then an actual diabetic condition. The principle behind the test is that for a non-diabetic, even with a large glucose intake, the pancreas reacts fast and produces insulin quickly enough so that it never goes above the normal level, whereas the pancreas can't act so quickly for someone who's diabetic or glucose intolerant.

    My daughter is Type 1, diagnosed 6 months ago. When I look back at the last year before my daughter was diagnosed, I can see there were times when she must've been high/low - she had an episode of blurry vision, and about 4-5 months before the diagnosis, would sometimes skip around with excitement when around friends. Since she's bubbly and gregarious, we thought this is all it was. She showed no other symptoms till a week before the diagnosis, and even then the only sign I had was excessive thirst. I got her tested (normal fasting and random) - mother's intuition, you could call it. So go with your gut.

    Incidentally on the GTT, a specialist we went to for a second opinion for my daughter (on treatment, not on diagnosis) made my husband and me go through with the GTT. I hated him because it was painful, and I haven't heard of other doctors doing this test, but we found my husband does have a problem. His fasting sugars were normal. Then checked his A1C, and found it at 6.2. So sometimes old-fashioned works.

    Try the orange juice, and don't wait for two hours. That would mean a Random blood sample, for which again there is a normal range for non-diabetics.
     
  9. joyfulheart

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    OOOOH, this is soooo weird. I mean bizarre!

    If I give my son a doughnut. Just one doughnut, his blood sugar jumps to 500. Two hours later, it's 300.

    But, he just drank a big glass of OJ and nothing. NOTHING. ANd he passed his 2 hour blood glucose test too.

    What the heck does that mean???

    I was up all night worrying about this. If his blood sugars are going high, I agree with the doctors diabetes diagnosis.

    BUT, since he passed his 2 hour glucose AND no reaction to the Orange juice, I think no diabetes....

    He also seems to have good days where his glucose is perfect allll day, and others where it just goes haywire. Nothing abnormal in his diet, so no idea what the differences are.

    ARGHHHHH!!

    (still not using the metformin becuase I dont want to torture my 7 year old son)
     
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    Did they run any other tests?
     
  11. Gwyn

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    Give him donuts before you go to the doctor next time.

    Also, be sure his hands are clean--some of the difference might have been sugary fingers from the donut, which you don't get from the oj.
     
  12. mummyof4

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    Hi there,

    my daughter is going through the same thing? i have been feeling frustrated just as you are now :( the past few weeks have been horrible for me not knowing what's going on in her poor little body, i am still and have been getting high numbers for a good few weeks now. like you said i do have good days where her numbers are normal and i start to convince my self nothing's wrong untill i get the high numbers again! :mad: i have managed to get a refferal to the hospital for the 2nd jan it's taken me weeks and weeks to get that appointment! i just hope they can rule this out or say yes she does have D!!
    the not knowing whats going on is killing me.
    i am worried that the GTT comes back normal and then they wont to anymore test! as i just want to know for sure!
    did his numbers rise at all during the GTT?
    holly seems to rise more on food than she does liquid and that does worry me a little with the GTT! but i will just have to wait and see :(
    xxxx
     
  13. joyfulheart

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    I do make sure his fingers are clean-- we use the alcohol wipes before each testing. ANd one of the 350 readings was at school taken by the school nurse!

    Would you believe my son actually ate 1/2 piece of small cake and his numbers didn't rise at all???

    But just last week he had the doughnut thing and went up like crazy.


    Do ya'll think his pancreas is sputtering???

    My research shows that if he's getting readings in the 400's than he has diabetes.

    But I'm wondering if he's just going through a good week, where his pancreas is cooperating????

    I have a horrible confession. I am actually jealous of people who easily are diagnosed with D. Only because nothing of my son's medical past has been easy. Everything has always been a difficult diagnosis, and now we have this blood sugar problem and it again is a difficult diagnosis and so unclear as to the real problem! If we don't know exactly what's wrong, how can we treat him?
     
  14. Heather(CA)

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    JMO, but I think his finger was dirty with the donuts...Next time use good old fashoned soap and water, dry them good before testing.:cwds:
     

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