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Any connection between D and ADD or ADHD??

Discussion in 'Parents of Children with Type 1' started by mischloss, Feb 10, 2008.

  1. mischloss

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    This has been going on for a couple of years now...funny that it seems to have escalated after diagnosis of D. I really can't put my finger on it...if it is the constant sugars being out of whack or if it is starting to manifest into something more like ADD or ADHD...but teachers have been complaining a whole bunch that my son just does not shut up during class and in always engaging others around him to talk and interact. He has a tendency not to complete class asignments and his memory span is that of a knat!!! I mean even at home it is so hard to keep him focused on completing a task or even getting to the task in the first place. At first I was just thinking that he is a major procrastinator but then teachers are complaining about all types of issues. He is starting to get detention (in school) and all types of disciplinary issues because of his behavior. He is a major prankster and gets others involved. I mean he has always been a super extrovert and dominant (okay stubborn) personality but he is not seeming to learn from his mistakes and behavior.

    Before D we had a child psychologist work with him regarding his inability to put himself to sleep or to sleep through the night. Of course now I look back on it and think well, I bet a lot of those restless nights might have already been sugars out of whack...how was I to know, right? :rolleyes:
    And at that time the psychologist said he didn't see any ADHD or ADD in him. But now two years later, I am beginning to wonder again.

    So I am considering taking him back to another psychologist in a few weeks and having him re-evaluated. The most recent teacher mentioned that he is failing in Social Studies and he has like half a dozen assignments missing or incomplete. He was the first to suggest that there might be emotional issues involved.

    So any one notice manifestations of ADD or ADHD post Type1 Diagnosis? I am really depressed about all of this and don't really know how to get through to him anymore other than having him go on meds. He is 12.5 years old now and on the pump.

    Thanks for any insite.

    Maria
     
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    Thanks Jeff, I will go take a look.
     
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    Maria,
    Although it seems to be unrelated, I have the same concearns. Trevor is only 5, so maybe its just because he likes attention, I'm not sure. It didn't really start until after he was dxd. I even aske the endo if it was a side effect of insulin,,,now that I think about it, that's a pretty stupid question being your body produces insulin,,,duh,,,so anyways, his response to that was " I don't know, but it doesn't really matter if it is, there's not a whole lot you can do about it."
     
  5. mischloss

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    Well, to me it just seems that his attention and "concern" for doing his work has gotten a lot worst since dx. He used to be very good about doing his homework and studying etc. Now he is very lax about the whole thing. I don't know if it is puberty setting in, or something more than that. None of his teachers (except one) has said he is ADD, they just have pegged him as a problem child regarding discipline and his ability to hand in his assignments. So basically I am on my own as far as what to do next. I am thinking about scheduling a psychiatric evaluation but then again once I know, does that mean he will be labeled at school and be in special ed classes? He is very, very bright, when he chooses to apply himself. The issue is that unless he "likes" to do something, he doesn't apply himself very well. Sigh! Just one more thing now that I am fretting over.
     
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    I know that there was a question awhile back from a parent who wanted to return her child to ADD meds but the dr. wanted them to wait as sometimes kids with diabetes can have the same issues because of high/low blood sugars. I think in her case and your case too there is something more going on.

    My older son who is not diabetic has ADD and I finally put him on some meds for it in October and it has been a world of difference. He is not hyper at all but had zero attention span and could not get his work done either at home or school. What should be about 45 mins of homework would routinely take 3 hours or more. It was just very, very painful.

    I have been extremely happy with his medication (concerta) and we cannot tell a difference in his personality or behaviour other than the better ability to concentrate and get things done. He seems to smoothly come off of it around dinner time or after and has no trouble sleeping. Appetite has been a challenge during the day though (which could be a problem for a diabetic).

    I see his pedi for the medication and advice but she is well versed on ADD and perhaps some are not. If he is in public school you can also request that he be evaluated by the school for ADD. My son has a 504 plan which has helped a lot - he did not need an IEP for special education. But even those who need an IEP will pretty much be mainstreamed in the classroom unless they are significantly behind.

    His teachers thought he was just lazy or disrespectful and it was difficult for us all to deal with. He is also labeled "gifted and talented" and in the highest math/reading classes at his school - so he is smart! I think a lot of ADD/ADHD kids are very smart but it can't come out so well. He got a 54 on his unit math test the 1st quarter (before meds) and a 95 this past test. It is amazing to me how much his grades have gone up - and homework is night and day easier for him. It is so much less stress for ALL of us and he is very proud to be able to shine that way.

    Anyway - I recommend you talk to his pedi about it and perhaps the school or go through a private evaluation with a specialist but I would definitely not rule it out.
     
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    Zach is only (almost) 4 and I have had the same questions. He still does not sleep well, never really has. He is SO different than our other child. We have been to a psychologist and we have had an easier time SINCE dx. DH always accused me of "coddling" Zach, but it was his high blood sugars that led to most of his behavior issues, I think. That being said, the psychologist still thinks he is ADHD but way too young to put on meds (second opinion from a psychiatrist as well). To me, it seems too much of a coincidence that many of us have kids with D and ADD/ADHD.
     
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    Selketine,

    It is like I am looking at a mirror regarding how you describe your son! Same here, projects that are long term are an absolute nightmare for me. He just can't progress through the steps needed to complete these. He seems to get overwhelmed and frustrated and then gives up. Last night though, I turned on some jazz background music to play softly as he worked on his homework in front of me on the kitchen table. It really helped him focus and I was told by a friend of mine that has two sons, one with ADD and one with ADHD that it helps their mind "pay attention" in some way to the music and then calm down to focus on doing the work. He did well and also reorganized his binder. The funny part is that he stopped doing his homework and then hyperfocused on re-doing his binder and then went back to doing his work.

    Of course I found out last night that he has another detention to sit out for Wednesday due to the fact that he forgot to give me a note to sign that was in his binder/agenda regarding some incompleted work in art class. The Nasty teacher got all pissy that he had not had the note signed after a couple of days and assigned yet another detention. Seems like I am shuttling him to detention every week practically, and it is really starting to affect my work hours. I am now "covering" for his detention time to the boss by saying it is a doc's appt or something else...it is embarrassing that he is such a problem child that he is having to be corrected each and every time. Of course he was apologetic about forgetting to give me the note. I just feel like I need to be on top of him each day and personally check his work and agenda. AND I do ask him each night, do you have anything for me to sign and he would keep saying nope, nothing. I am just so tired of this.
     
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    Maria, I am very much like Carol - my oldest, non-D, has ADHD. I knew from the time he was a toddler that he was hyper. Not disobedient, just absolutely no attention span. Had him evaluated at 5 by a psychologist who said he was definitely ADHD, but too young to medicate (I wasn't willing to go that route yet anyway). I tried beharioral intervention which helped at home, but never generalized into school. He was getting "notes" home from the teacher at least 3 times a week.

    He is an extremely bright boy, but could never remember what had happened in school, because he couldn't settle down to pay true attention.

    At 7, his pediatrician agrred to try a medication after we had done the ADHD (can't remeber the name of it) questionnaire for teachers and parnets. First we tried Strattera, which had a small effect, but after about 2 months he started to be sad ALL the time so I reported this and we changed to Concerta. Concerta has been life changing.

    Matt had not had a behavioral issue in school since he started the medication (although the teacher did notice the 2 times I forgot to give it to him). He is in gifted math and science and pulls straight A's on his report cards about 50% of the time, and the other times he'll have just 1 or 2 B's. His medication pretty much wears off by the time he gets home and I don't give it to him on weekends. He is impulsive for me, but I am very consistent with him and so his behavior is acceptable most of the time.

    If anyone had asked me about ADHD medication 3 years ago, I would have said it was a cop out and an easy answer. I now believe it helps my child to achieve the very best that he is capable of, and there can't be anything wrong with that. It does suppress the appetite and can have other side effects, but we're watching him closely.

    I too, worried about him being "labeled", but I think would be worse for him to be personally labeled a "bad kid" by the school staff.

    Good luck. I hope you and your pediatrician/psychologist/prsychiatrist can come up with a good solution.
     
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    Thanks Pam, I will remember to ask someone in a couple of weeks about testing him. We are going out of town this weekend and then next week back can be rough with workload.

    My son has always been a bad sleeper. Just having a hard time to wind down and very fidgety. This has been both pre and post D diagnosis. Again don't know if it is just blood sugars or also any other conditions. The doctors have never been able to tell me anything physical is wrong. Just that I am "allowing" him to be that way because I have to stay in his room until he falls asleep. In other words I haven't weened him from needing to cuddle during bedtime and be able to put himself to sleep. Sigh!

    Yes, I also agree that if I can avoid the "trouble kid" label by doing something about it even if it is medication and to get him on track with homework and turning in assignments on time maybe I should be more open about it. I don't want to ruin his chances for college. He just told me the other day that he is seriously considering being an endocronologists because as he put it, he is living the lifestyle already. It almos made me cry to hear this, especially with all the school issues lately. :(
     
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    I observe huge issues with both my kids when there BG is out of whack - if a child did have ADD/ADHD I would think that behavior/attention issues would be magnified.. (just like when our kids are sick, you really appreciate the stresses on their bodies and how that influences their diabetes etc)
    A friend is a developmental pediatrician and we talked about this once and her thoughts were that the best way she could evaluate a potential ADD/ADHD child with diabetes is to get that diabetes regulated as well as reasonably possible so that she is evaluating the child, not the response to diabetes.
     
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    Matt also has difficluty falling asleep. I taught him a relaxation technique where you tense and release the muscles in different zones of your body.. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't. He and his brother go to bed at 8 on weeknights. The 8 yr old usually falls asleep within 15 minutes. Matt usually takes an hour or more. But it is important that they get 10 hours of sleep at this age so I'm really adamant about bedtime (Plus I sure could use a few minutes to myself before I fall asleep).

    I used to snuggle with the boys to help them fall asleep. But its harder to do when you have 3, and so it forced me to phase them out of it. First I sat (or layed) on the floor by their beds for a few days, then on the floor by the door, then just outside the door, then I said "I'm just in the next room". Of course, I'm sure t was easier that they had each other.

    Hang in there - it'll all work out. Someday you'll be calling him, "my son, the doctor".:)
     
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    Pam,
    Mikey takes at least 45 minutes on a good night and up to forever on a bad night. Literally, I can put him down and keep trying to sneak out the door every like 30 minutes and some days, he catches me each time. He pops right up..."Stay!" ....when I see the clock hit 1:30am I end up going back into my own bed....Dad then evacuates to another "guest bedroom" and Mikey follows me into the master bedroom. I KNOW, I KNOW... but I got to get some sleep before waking up at 6am for work. Sometimes the battles are just not worth it.

    My form of punishment for him is that if he is still up by a certain time, I will test his bg! Sometimes, I can get him to lay quietly (although not asleep quite) just cause he knows if he speaks he gets poked! :D This allows me to leave the room.
     

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