Nope, I see no snark. And I see you don't understand. I've been there, it's like one of those funky pictures they used to sell where if you look at is squirrelly the 3D dinosaur pops out. . .. .But I'm not sure I can get ya there, you know me and my communication issues. And of course once you're there you may still think I'm wrong. 1. No, my opinion is not based on the fact that there are enough resources to support an infinite number of people. There's no such thing as an infinite number of people, is there? Biological systems correct, and not just with famines and plagues, to a balance; we can't know just how many of any one species this planet can "support"; humans innovate; and it's not a closed system. I'm not saying it's an impossibility, this eventual running out of stuff. I'm saying it's certainly not an inevitability, logic tells you that. Reason tells you that the assertion that we will certainly run out of resources is baseless. We can't know any such thing. All of that is distinct from religious faith, it is reason based. 2. All that God stuff, no, I'm not saying that, that's not what I believe about this question. I don't think the other people who share my opinion do, either. 3. I always think any one person has value. There's no such thing as one "more" person, see? None of us are in the "extras" category, the "next" category. It has to do with how you think about human individuals. Historically, you get into huge trouble with the "those people" stuff. Black people, Jewish people, mentally disabled people, women people, past people, future people. That's why this philosophy is linked to eugenics, because they complement each other. Now, I'm not against toothpaste because Hitler brushed his teeth. Just because an idea has been used by nasty people doesn't mean the idea is untrue or faulty in itself. But this one ("we will inevitably run out of resources unless we limit population" and usually "soon") is demonstrably false and has come in handy for a lot of bad guys. I think what you are getting at with the "more" question, though, is whether I think adding humans willy nilly to the planet is some kind of good act in itself. No. You're not a better person for having more kids, a kid is not a good act. People are not things. That's the point. You don't have "not enough" any more than you have "too many". The point is to not treat people as if they were things. It's a product mentality, a consumerist point of view, that sees people as commodities -- and people fall into it without even knowing they are doing it. 4. Now, the 30 kids thing, and this part might make more sense to you. Whenever people talk about limiting population because of scarce resources, they aren't talking infinity. They are talking about now. So, for example, I have friends who would like to have more children than what is "done" these days. Almost every time a woman I know stops breastfeeding the second child, the sadness begins. This is my last child. I won't ever do this again. Sometimes they've had a tubal. Sometimes they just know they'll be on the Pill until menopause. Almost always, they've talked about it with a spouse, and they've come "together" to the conclusion that they can't afford another child. Then dad goes out and buys a boat. So with the population at large. Drive down a suburban street on trash day, look in the dumpster after school on any school day. Maybe once Americans aren't throwing away 4 million apples every day I'll have sympathy for the "we'd better budget in programs to push population programs on people in Africa because there's just not enough food to go around" lines. I'm not calling people racist, in general it's about power and greed. I wants my stuff, and I'm afraid those unwashed hordes of barbarians might come between me and it. And, you know, someone wants to be straightfoward about it, I guess that's her choice. I like having three cars, and I can't have that if I'm worried about those kids in Africa, so let's limit their kids so we don't have to limit my cars. But the problem I have is that limiting populations and limiting families is sold as the responsible, moral thing to do. It's a fraud. And many people of good will fall for it and collect for UNICEF each Halloween. But it's a trick. I remember the day Hannity finally got turned off in my car forever, the day he said people should be responsible and not have more chidren than they could afford. With "afford" defined as "being able to buy a computer to send with them to college". It's a national sickness we all have a touch of. So, if you've waded through all that, you can disagree with me with full comprehension of the crazy you're disagreeing with.