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Interested to read Sup. Ct. healthcare decision

Discussion in 'Parents Off Topic' started by virgo39, Jun 28, 2012.

  1. Brensdad

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  2. Helenmomofsporty13yearold

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    More scare tactics and more BS. I am guessing you work for big pharma.

    "While sales rise, R&D declines. The ratio of R&D to sales rose from 2000 to 2008 in France, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, the United States and Britain, but fell in Canada. Indeed, studying the pattern of R&D to sales leads inevitably to the conclusion that head office location counts. Countries with pharmaceutical head offices definitely get more R&D than branch plant countries such as Canada."

    http://m.theglobeandmail.com/commen...g-prices-low-rd/article543253/?service=mobile

    My beloved American neighbours, please expand your information search outside of Fox News (and a few of these folks on CWD forums).
     
  3. Helenmomofsporty13yearold

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    More misinformation....some private insurers will cover CGMS, but most don't. Here in Ontario, the provincial government provides a free pump and $200 a month for supplies to anyone with Type 1 with an AIC of 10 or less. Depending on ones income there are also disability benefits and lots of tax credits. Everyone has free access to doctors and hospitals whether they have a job or not.

    Your system was the least efficient and effective..it has to change!!!!!!!!
     
  4. Christopher

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    Instead of just calling BS, would you care to elaborate on your statement?
     
  5. Helenmomofsporty13yearold

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    I thought I did by providing that article
     
  6. hawkeyegirl

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    Well, I didn't see anything in that video attacking Hillary Clinton for including a penalty in her healthcare plan. I did see the highlighted newspaper clipping, but that referred to garnishing people's wages if they didn't buy in. That is specifically forbidden in the new healthcare bill. I mean, if you're trying to compare Obama to Romney in the flip-flopping category on this one, and this is the best you can do, it's sort of laughable. Romney implemented basically this exact same bill in Massachusetts, and now is forced to fight against it.
     
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    It's interesting to me that you consider yourself an authority on US healthcare and its need for change when you don't live here and aren't affected by it, whereas the majority of the US population doesn't want the change.

    As far as "mis-information", maybe you should read these threads before you make such accusations:

    http://forums.childrenwithdiabetes.com/showthread.php?p=795157#post795157

    from http://forums.childrenwithdiabetes.com/showthread.php?p=550437&highlight=zealand+pump#post550437

    Do you pay your "equipment", eg. blood sugar monitors, needles and so?
    Insulin, needles, strips, first meter, urine ketone strips are free.
    All pump stuff we pay for out of pocket as it's classed a 'lifestyle choice'.

     
  8. hawkeyegirl

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    Okay, but I don't see this as a good argument against universal healthcare. "The system will be overburdened!" So the answer is...to not provide healthcare to these people? :confused: No, the answer is to figure out HOW to provide healthcare to these people.

    I keep reading that the Republicans care about making sure that everyone had access to affordable healthcare. While I believe that individual Republicans may feel that way, I do not believe it is a priority for the Republican party. (Ironically, with the exception of the "old" Mitt Romney, which has garnered him considerable suspicion from the Republican party, and almost torpedoed his nomination.) So now we have a law that was a Republican idea. But because it was proposed by a Democratic president, it's suddenly the most ridiculous law of all time. Just absurd.

    I do not understand why both parties cannot agree that everyone in our country should have access to a certain level of healthcare. Honestly, "We can't afford it!" is just not an acceptable response to the problem we have. We CAN afford it, we're just choosing to spend our money elsewhere. It is an embarassment that we are the only 1st world Western nation that does not have universal healthcare. Over 50% of people in this country own smartphones, but we cry and moan about reaching into our pockets just a little bit more so that everyone can have access to healthcare.

    Argue all you want about the best way to go about it, but don't tell me that we can't afford it. That's BS, pure and simple.
     
  9. Christopher

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    Not really, but OK. Then it just becomes a "war of the articles" with mine saying one thing and yours saying another thing. It's fine.
     
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    That's because the majority of the voting U.S. population is covered through an employer healthcare plan, and as long as they have theirs, they don't give a crap about people who don't have health insurance. That's the biggest problem here. The people who are most affected by the fact that there is no universal healthcare in this country are poor, disenfranchised, and don't have thousands of dollars in their pockets to lobby Congress.

    My husband owns his own business, and that business pays $20,000 a year for our health insurance. Yeah, our pump is "free" and our pumping supplies are "free." After we pay that $20,000 per year, we get all sorts of stuff for "free."
     
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    Agreed. Congress needs to stop acting like a bunch of little 5 year olds and start working TOGETHER.
     
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    I don't think it's a matter of not caring about people without insurance. I took my daughter on an all day trip to advocate for our state to not cut diabetes supplies for those on Medicaid, even though we do have insurance (of which we pay a good percentage). We have $40 copays plus 10% coverage for dr. appointments, supplies are covered at 10% and yet we're considered a "cadillac" plan and will be facing twice as much out of pocket in the near future. My husband's employer also doesn't intend to put their savings on the newer cheaper plan to avoid the tax back into their pay-checks to offset the higher OOP costs, either, so we will lose big time.

    I don't think moving toward socialized medicine will benefit our children. Someone posted an article by the BBC a while back about how Lantus, etc. are considered "designer drugs". More than anything, I don't want to be given NPH/Regular as our option. I don't even want to be given Lantus as an option after not being able to get my daughter's basals regulated on it with puberty. I expect things like this could be major cuts when the economy gets worse than now. If socialism were so great, why did the USSR collapse?
     
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    1. You're conflating socialism with communism. They're two different things entirely.

    2. We have many socialist features to our government, and I suspect you'd be very unhappy if we did away with them.

    3. Right now insurance companies cheerfully dictate which insulins we use, which test strips we use, how many we get, which pump we can have, etc. I don't find it particularly more scary to have the government determining those things. I'd also note that people who have Tricare, Medicaid and Medicare do not appear to be limited to outdated insulin regimens. The quality of coverage under those programs appears to meet or exceed "average" private health insurance coverage, in general.

    4. You're conflating universal healthcare with single-payer healthcare. They're two different things.

    5. It's nice that you advocated for people on Medicaid, but there is a wide swath of people who are not poor enough for Medicaid, but cannot afford private health insurance. Those are the people who will be most helped by this bill. Again, I'm okay with paying a bit more to help those people. If you're not, you're not.
     
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    http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/100...ompanies-breaking-r-d-commitment-to-canadians

    Here is another one then. Perhaps this one is clearer. My guess is that jobs and research dollars are being funnelled to the US head offices because of the need for jobs in the US since the recession. It is not because Canada is taking advantage of US pharma. It is quite the opposite.
     
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    I think you are focusing on one small part of the article, that really has little to do with the main discussion here. But I understand wanting to defend your country, regardless of the facts.
     
  16. Helenmomofsporty13yearold

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    It is easy to have an informed opinion...just read enough intellligent sources about a topic e.g. The World Health Organization statistics. My offence and response was to your comment "countries like NZ". I am not familiar with NZ's system, but a quick Google search shows they have free prescription drug coverage for all. New Zealanders have spoken out about the above ruling you are referring to and an outcome is expected this month. People do have a say in democracies that have universal health care coverage. It is not as scary as you are lead to believe.
     
  17. Helenmomofsporty13yearold

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    No, I am stating facts relating to the comments you made about drug research.
     
  18. Christopher

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    Actually, you said you were guessing, but no biggie. Moving on............
     
  19. Helenmomofsporty13yearold

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    No, I stated facts and then a guess why the US pharma companies in Canada are cheating us. Please may we move on.
     
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    This. This is why I don't understand the fear over the government determining what is covered.
     

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