Originally Posted by swellman
Yes, when a fertilized egg, i.e. a unique living human individual, is lost during menstruation it might be known as a spontaneous abortion or a miscarriage or when it has not been implanted something else that I do not know the name for. It is not known as an induced abortion. Regardless of what it should be called I can only say that I was not responsible for inducing it.
IMO it seems simple because it is. Religious views of the soul aside if one depends on science then the only conclusion we can draw is that once conception occurs a whole genetically complete individual exists that did not exist before. At the moment of conception it is no longer a potential human but has become an actual human. The real division is exactly at conception. beyond conception the only changes that occur are qualitative. Is it viable before implantation? Well realistically the amount of viability is not that much greater after implantation or after the 8th month or after birth even - at all these points and well into childhood we are all so dependent upon our parents for survival that none of us could survive without a great deal of assistance. I do not see viability as relevant to the question of whether or not one is a alive or human or unique or an individual. Living things can be viable or not and are still living, humans can be viable or not and are still humans, unique beings can be viable or not and are still unique, and lastly, individuals can be viable or not and are still individuals.
I understand the appeal to the simplicity of your argument however it seems pretty obvious, to me at least, that there is a real division between the "potential for eventually developing into a viable, human individual" and actually being a human individual.
I am only aware of bans on federal funding but no bans on actual research. Private research has been unhindered.
I doesn't help that there are and have been multiple bans on research using them and the comparison isn't a fair assessment of their potential.
I suppose I could easily buy that if it were the case that one type of research resulted in a large number of cures and the other resulted in a moderate number of cures. It is a bit harder to explain the complete and utter lack of any cures at all with embryonic stem cell research from embryos. It seems most likely that that line of research is simply not fruitful. But who knows there may yet be some cure from embryonic stem cell research from embryos.
Alan father of daughter with T1D born 2/2005
Diagnosed 9/07/10, MDI,
Son with T1D born 11/00 diagnosed 7/1/14