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    Connor uses a Novolog Novopen Jr. for fast-acting insulin. His new-ish school nurse sent this home today. What do you think? What is your reaction? Have you ever seen a Novolog pen cartridge with a "stopper that balloons"? I just sent the manufacturer instructions to her because she didn't know about priming the pen before giving an injection. Now I don't know what to make of this new cartridge/pen issue. Any thoughts? Thanks!



    Amy
    Mom of Connor - 12, T-1, dx 11/6/06, MDI, Novolog & Lantus
    Mom of Grant - 10, impaired OGTT and positive for 2 autoantibodies, TrialNet Teplizumab study starting 8/4/14
    Brian (husband) is 41, T-1, dx age 15, MDI, Humalog & Lantus

    "Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another, 'What! You, too? Thought I was the only one.'" - C.S. Lewis

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    That is a weird one. Sounds like you may have to go in and do a demostration or at least see what she is talking about - I know this isn't really a possibility if you use the pen correctly but could she be trying to put air into it like you do a regular vial of insulin????
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    Quote Originally Posted by jules12 View Post
    That is a weird one. Sounds like you may have to go in and do a demostration or at least see what she is talking about - I know this isn't really a possibility if you use the pen correctly but could she be trying to put air into it like you do a regular vial of insulin????
    That is what I'm thinking. The interesting thing is that Connor doesn't have any syringes at school since he only uses the Novopen. How can she put air in with a pen needle tip?

    There is another child with type-1 diabetes at Connor's school who uses a syringe and vial of insulin.
    Last edited by momandwifeoftype1s; 02-07-2011 at 07:55 PM.
    Amy
    Mom of Connor - 12, T-1, dx 11/6/06, MDI, Novolog & Lantus
    Mom of Grant - 10, impaired OGTT and positive for 2 autoantibodies, TrialNet Teplizumab study starting 8/4/14
    Brian (husband) is 41, T-1, dx age 15, MDI, Humalog & Lantus

    "Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another, 'What! You, too? Thought I was the only one.'" - C.S. Lewis

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    I remember seeing this before -I think it happened when we would prime without a pen needle on.
    I'm still here.
    DD - 15 - Lantus and MM Pump/Dex G4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I remember seeing this before -I think it happened when we would prime without a pen needle on.
    So, she's dialing up two units without the pen needle attached? Or, she's putting the pen needle tip on, dialing 2 units with the interior purple cap intact, then dialing the insulin dosage up and injecting insulin. Either way is not really priming, and I'm concerned since I sent the quick manual, the full manual and an audio/visual manual in e-mail. I've also been there observing for 2-3 days/week since I've noticed a concern with the care that Connor is receiving at school.

    That would make sense from what I've seen when I'm in the clinic. Thank you, Lee. I think that is what's going on.
    Amy
    Mom of Connor - 12, T-1, dx 11/6/06, MDI, Novolog & Lantus
    Mom of Grant - 10, impaired OGTT and positive for 2 autoantibodies, TrialNet Teplizumab study starting 8/4/14
    Brian (husband) is 41, T-1, dx age 15, MDI, Humalog & Lantus

    "Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another, 'What! You, too? Thought I was the only one.'" - C.S. Lewis

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    That's what happens if you dial up and press down without a needle on, or with a needle that's bent on the bottom so it's not puncturing the top of the penfil. It means there's a lot of pressure inside.
    Screw a needle on, a drop of insulin will come out right away, but it will normalize. No worries.

    I used to keep mine pressurized like this on purpose on the theory that it would get rid of the air. I'm not sure it worked. My brothers and other people playing with the pen have also done this to it, and also once or twice with a needle where the part that's supposed to screw onto the penfil apparently bent and hadn't gone in.
    -Jonah
    dx age 17, now 25
    on Lantus for 7 years; on minimed 530 G since 12/7/13

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    Quote Originally Posted by LantusFiend View Post
    That's what happens if you dial up and press down without a needle on, or with a needle that's bent on the bottom so it's not puncturing the top of the penfil. It means there's a lot of pressure inside.
    Screw a needle on, a drop of insulin will come out right away, but it will normalize. No worries.

    I used to keep mine pressurized like this on purpose on the theory that it would get rid of the air. I'm not sure it worked. My brothers and other people playing with the pen have also done this to it, and also once or twice with a needle where the part that's supposed to screw onto the penfil apparently bent and hadn't gone in.
    Have you ever had a gusher of insulin explode from the cartridge after you put the pen tip on with all that pressure? An uncontrolled stream of insulin? How could the membrane get so mangled on the top of the cartridge without ever being used? It was a brand new cartridge with 100 units in it. Any thoughts? Brian (DH) and I have never seen anything like this. We're thinking it's a priming issue. Brian's going to call to talk to the nurse in the morning, because I'm getting nowhere.

    I'd really like the school nurse to follow the manufacturer instruction manual for using the NovoPen. How do I approach this topic again without alienating her? Sigh...
    Amy
    Mom of Connor - 12, T-1, dx 11/6/06, MDI, Novolog & Lantus
    Mom of Grant - 10, impaired OGTT and positive for 2 autoantibodies, TrialNet Teplizumab study starting 8/4/14
    Brian (husband) is 41, T-1, dx age 15, MDI, Humalog & Lantus

    "Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another, 'What! You, too? Thought I was the only one.'" - C.S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by momandwifeoftype1s View Post
    Have you ever had a gusher of insulin explode from the cartridge after you put the pen tip on with all that pressure?
    Nope. It'll only be a few units. At that point it makes the plunger harder to press down. I have had once or twice a littler bother force it at which point the top of the cartridge seems to break and the units squirt out- but oddly enough the top still worked after that.
    Somebody on the teentalk forum wrote (years ago now) about a museum security guard who forced her cartridge to explode like that too. In her case the guard ruined the whole cartridge.
    -Jonah
    dx age 17, now 25
    on Lantus for 7 years; on minimed 530 G since 12/7/13

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    sounds like air was added.. or it was dialed and 'delievered' without a pen needle.
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    I guess the only way I'll know for sure what is going on is to go back to school again tomorrow and have her show me how she is priming the pen and changing cartridges. Shouldn't a school nurse (an RN) know how to do this stuff? My stomach is already in knots thinking about having to go back to the clinic to have this conversation - again. I just don't want to keep sending in new cartridges of insulin and having them wasted from user error. If she doesn't know how to change a cartridge, she can refer to the manual, call her supervisor or our endo's office, or call me and I'll go over and help. I just get a mangled cartridge after school hours with a note to send a new one tomorrow. Fine, if I didn't just get one sent back home that was destroyed by the nurse. The cartridges do not come out of the blister pack like that, so I'm agitated by the waste. Grrr...
    Amy
    Mom of Connor - 12, T-1, dx 11/6/06, MDI, Novolog & Lantus
    Mom of Grant - 10, impaired OGTT and positive for 2 autoantibodies, TrialNet Teplizumab study starting 8/4/14
    Brian (husband) is 41, T-1, dx age 15, MDI, Humalog & Lantus

    "Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another, 'What! You, too? Thought I was the only one.'" - C.S. Lewis

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