View Full Version : I heard the most chilling NPR news story tonight
Mom2rh
10-22-2007, 11:03 PM
Hey everyone...this ran chills up my spine and brought tears to my eyes. It goes beyond fighting Sea World. Our kids are in jeapordy of losing their ADA rights...
Please listen...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15521968
I'm not even sure where to begin on this fight.
(I have to tell you...that just nailed the LAST coffin in Wal Mart as far as I'm concerned.)
Brensdad
10-22-2007, 11:11 PM
Well, I am certainly in favor of the ADA covering T1 as it is a disease that can be life-threatening in just a matter of hours. In this case, I think Wal-Mart and the employee could have worked a little harder to find some middle ground.
Wal-Mart should have provided someone to cover for him long enough for the man to eat lunch for crying out loud. How would that be in any way unreasonable? I do think that closing the pharmacy down is not reasonable, but simply covering the guy's position for a bit isn't rocket science. I guess if he's the only pharmacist then it might cause an issue. In my case, I have a very active job and it does sometimes require that I grab something when I can in between helping customers, and it's really not a big deal.
Mom2rh
10-22-2007, 11:13 PM
I guess what disturbed me most was their contention that diabetes can be "controlled." I don't think that's the case...I think it can be managed. But reasonable accomodations must be made. If employers are allowed to fire people rather than make reasonable accomodations, what hope do our kids have? Seriously, schools already balk at accomodating some kids and their needs.
Brensdad
10-22-2007, 11:18 PM
"Reasonable" is such a big word, isn't it?
I think it's unreasonable to expect the pharmacy to have to close for him to eat. I think it's unreasonable NOT to provide an employee with 20 or 30 minutes of peace and quiet so he can eat.
Wal-Mart has billions and billions of dollars. That guy doesn't (and he probably has Wal-Mart's crappy health insurance).
Advantage: little guy.
sam1nat2
10-22-2007, 11:19 PM
I'm not a walmart fan, never have been. I've always heard that they do not like employees to take lunch/breaks.
It is very unfortunate, however I'm wondering why if he was dropping low around lunch did he not adjust his basal rates appropriately??
You can be a protected class, however it does not stop people/employers from firing you if they want, sometimes they just have to search harder for a "reason". I've BTDT when fired after I had a baby. Unfortunately it isn't so clear cut.
siren
10-22-2007, 11:19 PM
Never shop at Walmart and never will.
Kaylee's Mommy
10-22-2007, 11:25 PM
I too think that walmart is breaking other rules here, not just ADA rules/laws.. the guy has the right to a 1/2 hr lunch break.. they've already been in trouble for this before.. yet they haven't figured it out, its not that hard to cover someone's lunch break.. so the pharmacist isn't there filling prescriptions for that 1/2.. but someone can surely hand out the prescriptions for those that are ready..at our local walmart they shut down the pharmacy.. so they can have lunch.... I think they could ahve come to a common ground there.. I hate bosses that think its there way or no way.. but the fact is.. there is more to this than just the ADA aspect.. by law.. by osha, he is to get a 1/2 hr break.. osha catches wind of that, they'll be in there, and they'll be fined a $1,000 for every break that is not taken or not taken for the full 1/2..
I hate walmart.. guess I'll go back to not shopping there anymore..
Brensdad
10-22-2007, 11:29 PM
I too think that walmart is breaking other rules here, not just ADA rules/laws.. the guy has the right to a 1/2 hr lunch break.. they've already been in trouble for this before.. yet they haven't figured it out, its not that hard to cover someone's lunch break.. so the pharmacist isn't there filling prescriptions for that 1/2.. but someone can surely hand out the prescriptions for those that are ready..at our local walmart they shut down the pharmacy.. so they can have lunch.... I think they could ahve come to a common ground there.. I hate bosses that think its there way or no way.. but the fact is.. there is more to this than just the ADA aspect.. by law.. by osha, he is to get a 1/2 hr break.. osha catches wind of that, they'll be in there, and they'll be fined a $1,000 for every break that is not taken or not taken for the full 1/2..
I hate walmart.. guess I'll go back to not shopping there anymore..
I couldn't agree more about covering the guy. Just a little background, I have an MBA in Human Resources Law, and there is no federal law requiring meal breaks or any other breaks. There are three states that require them: California, Colorado and one other whose name escapes me. Labor Unions and other groups that bargain collectively may require breaks, but there is no law requiring one. Maybe that's what needs to change...
Brensdad
10-22-2007, 11:39 PM
For what it's worth, why even take on the RISK of the problems this could cause over being closed for 30 minutes? Sounds like a pretty poor business decision to me. My guess is that this is a pretty small town, and so the pharmacy couldn't be THAT busy that it couldn't close long enough for him to eat lunch. And if it is a small town do they think anyone will really CARE that it's closed for a few minutes? It's not like you can't find something to do in a Wal-Mart for 30 minutes anyway.
Kaylee's Mommy
10-22-2007, 11:46 PM
I couldn't agree more about covering the guy. Just a little background, I have an MBA in Human Resources Law, and there is no federal law requiring meal breaks or any other breaks. There are three states that require them: California, Colorado and one other whose name escapes me. Labor Unions and other groups that bargain collectively may require breaks, but there is no law requiring one. Maybe that's what needs to change...
I use to work for Hannaford super markets.. there are regulations, maybe not laws, but regulations that state that an employee MUST take a 1/2 hour break after 4 hours of STRAIGHT work, if they work 6 hours they get a 1/2 and a 15, if they were 8 hours they get 1/2 and 2 15s.. if ANY of these breaks were NOT to the full 15 minutes or the full 1/2 they were fine $1,000 PER break that was not taken to the full time limit..
I know Osha goes into Wal-mart.. I work at a different grocery store now (alhtough I wished I still worked at Hannaford, they are decent to their employees..) that doesn't take these breaks as seriously.. but then again, for some odd reason Osha doesn't go into their stores and check their records..
You would think that Wal-mart would learn their lesson.. Unfortunatily they get away with it because they higher people that can't fight them.. lower income, those that aren't legally documented, and those with special needs.. They try and make it look as though they are helping people out by giving people jobs.. but they are very sneaky and dishonast and don't give these people the pay, breaks, and repsect they deserve.. they figure they can get away with it...
and I should add Shame on that Judge for letting this slip through the cracks.. Although I don't agree that the pharmacy should close for that 1/2hr.. they should be required to have someone that is able to cover him. This really makes me mad..
it breaks my heart that some day, Kaylee may be treated this way.. and to think you can turn to the law.. and they don't back you up.. I hope that guy has found a job that will treat him the way he should be treated, like a human being that deserves 30 freaking minutes to sit down and eat his damn lunch like a human being! I'm quite sure that Manager got his 30 (4 hours..) minutes to take his lunch break..
the more I think about this the more angry I get:mad:
Barry
10-22-2007, 11:50 PM
Well....be careful what you wish for. Almost every one of us has wished our children would always be treated like everyone else when they grow up. This guy WAS treated like everyone else. Make the arguement everyone needs a uninterrupted break, but don't ask he be treated differently.
Now that I think about it, HE'S A PHARMACIST. Second only to a nutritionist, this guy should have been able to figure it out how to keep the lows away...there's more to this story I'm guessing.
Barry
10-22-2007, 11:56 PM
http://www.dredf.org/programs/Orr_ADA_Restoration_Testimony.pdf
Testimony before House of Reps
Mom2rh
10-23-2007, 12:07 AM
I guess I assume the reaches of this type of discrimination much farther than Wal Mart. We're talking those 504 plans that protect our kids in school would no longer be valid. No protection. Period.
Kaylee's Mommy
10-23-2007, 12:11 AM
http://www.dredf.org/programs/Orr_ADA_Restoration_Testimony.pdf
Testimony before House of Reps
Thanks for sharing that.. I still can't believe the courts didn't see a problem with what walmart did.. and they skipped entirely that he wasn't getting a lunch break within the proper time frame. I KNOW walmart has these rules, I've worked for walmart (allbe it very briefly.. they were horrid to work for!)
deafmack
10-23-2007, 03:19 AM
Hey everyone...this ran chills up my spine and brought tears to my eyes. It goes beyond fighting Sea World. Our kids are in jeapordy of losing their ADA rights...
Please listen...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15521968
I'm not even sure where to begin on this fight.
(I have to tell you...that just nailed the LAST coffin in Wal Mart as far as I'm concerned.)
The real problem lies with the courts and their decision to say a person is not disabled becuase they can use something to help manage their disease. We really need to press Congress and pass the ADA Restoration Act.
AlisonKS
10-23-2007, 09:22 AM
The real problem lies with the courts and their decision to say a person is not disabled becuase they can use something to help manage their disease. We really need to press Congress and pass the ADA Restoration Act.
exactly! my friends son has had seizures since he was a few months old. He's a couple years older than my son and just is now walking. He takes drugs to manage his seizures, but just like with diabetes-there's always the unknown-things can happen. So would he not be covered under the ADA because he takes meds?
wendyc
10-23-2007, 09:28 AM
I do think that closing the pharmacy down is not reasonable, but simply covering the guy's position for a bit isn't rocket science. I guess if he's the only pharmacist then it might cause an issue..
Both the Walmart and Target in our area close down from 1-2. They have signs that are very visable and they make an annoucement 10 and 5 min before they close. So, it is not unreasonable. And if the store is worried about someone needing meds asap, stipulate that they must have lunch on site to accomodate an emergency. I think that would be an agreeable middle ground.
Sarah Maddie's Mom
10-23-2007, 10:40 AM
Just want to reiterate that the cure for this is in the ADA Restoration Act
If we really want to insure that Diabetes is covered under ADA we need to press our Senators to support it. It I think, not 100% sure, the House has enough votes.
Mama2H
10-23-2007, 10:43 AM
This is one of those moments where we need one of our eloquent members to write a letter so we can ALL forward it to our senators. This story makes me sick to my stomach.
Mom2rh
10-23-2007, 10:48 AM
The real problem lies with the courts and their decision to say a person is not disabled becuase they can use something to help manage their disease. We really need to press Congress and pass the ADA Restoration Act.
YES!!!! Absolutely. That is exactly what needs to be done.
Mom2rh
10-23-2007, 10:49 AM
Just want to reiterate that the cure for this is in the ADA Restoration Act
If we really want to insure that Diabetes is covered under ADA we need to press our Senators to support it. It I think, not 100% sure, the House has enough votes.
I'll be contacting Senators and Representatives on this issue!
Momof4gr8kids
10-23-2007, 11:49 AM
Besides the ADA, just normal rules for employers, don't they have to give you a lunch if you work x amount of hours in a shift?
I am sure some agreement could have happened, and I am not going to get into that debate because for one, this man is not here to tell his side, or defend himself, and for two YDMV, what works for someone else may not work for him.
My concern is how the judge treated it because he is on meds. That judge didn't even have to look at the side effects of insulin, and the whys and hows. We're all screwed if this is the worlds view.
badshoe
10-23-2007, 11:52 AM
There is an insane catch 22 here. If hs is in control ADA doesn't apply. To be in control he needes the scheduled time and carbs be in control, but if he is in control he can't have the time.
How many test strips does WalMart sell? How do we change that?
Mom2rh
10-23-2007, 12:18 PM
See I think the issue is the word "control." I don't think diabetes can be controlled, at least not for a Type 1. I think the disease is managed with lots of testing, carb counting, a healthy diet, exercise, etc...yet we still understand that even with all the "right" choices re: dose of insulin, numbers of carbs, etc...there are factors that cannot be accounted for...sickness, adrenaline, stress that all affect BG numbers. You can't control those, thus the disease cannot be controlled.
Mama Belle
10-23-2007, 12:22 PM
I'm not a walmart fan, never have been. I've always heard that they do not like employees to take lunch/breaks.
It is very unfortunate, however I'm wondering why if he was dropping low around lunch did he not adjust his basal rates appropriately??
According to his testimony he was on injections at the time, not a pump. as we all know Lantus can drop different people at different times of the day. His manager was asking for him to eat when he had time between customers. So say he starts eating at 1 pm, he injects before eating so doesn't get a huge spike, he gets two bites into it and then gets a string of customers for an hour. Now he has insulin peaking and has not eaten enough to cover it and his BG drops. Conversely, if he doesn't inject beforehand but the same scenario occurs he is slowly eating over the course of perhaps an hour with no insulin on board and probably has ridiculously high BGs by the time he does get to inject. Either way he is not in good control.
ETA: He said his insulin regimen included three injections daily, so it looks like he was maybe taking NPH, which further complicates the matter.
Momof4gr8kids
10-23-2007, 12:25 PM
There is an insane catch 22 here. If hs is in control ADA doesn't apply. To be in control he needes the scheduled time and carbs be in control, but if he is in control he can't have the time.
How many test strips does WalMart sell? How do we change that?
Here's the thing. Define control.... A A1C below 6? No, not it? Couldn't be because that's just an average..... How many lows did that take?
If you are in control of your car, that means you stay in your lane, maintain speed, and break when needed.
How many people that are "in control" with their diabetes stay in their "lane" (target range) ALL of the time? What if your breaks go out? Now you have no control to stop, or slow down like you did before (breaks are anything that may cause a high) are you in control? Not at that time. What if your tranny goes out, and you all of the sudden don't have your upper gear to maintain speed on the freeway? (Anything that can contribute to a low) Are you now in control? No, you're not.
Point is that despite them saying he was in control, he wasn't at that time, and could not be in control without lunch. I myself have tried to eat lunch in between helping customers and that is hard. If you bolus upfront and then don't get to finish for 2 hour of course you are going to go low, if he didn't bolus, then he is probably high. Even though the word of the judge stands, he has no idea what control is, and should not be allowed to make uneducated decisions about what control in diabetes is.
Mama Belle
10-23-2007, 12:41 PM
Point is that despite them saying he was in control, he wasn't at that time, and could not be in control without lunch. I myself have tried to eat lunch in between helping customers and that is hard. If you bolus upfront and then don't get to finish for 2 hour of course you are going to go low, if he didn't bolus, then he is probably high. Even though the word of the judge stands, he has no idea what control is, and should not be allowed to make uneducated decisions about what control in diabetes is.
EXACTLY!!!
Doesn't WalMart care most about their bottom line? Wouldn't it be kinda damaging if they were sued because someone took the wrong medication because it was dispensed by a person with a low BG? Does WalMart really want a person with low BG filling prescriptions? I mean c'mon, it is in their best interest to make sure this man doesn't go hypo. For no other reason than protecting their own behinds, you'd think they'd want to keep their one pharmacist functional enough to dispense medication properly.
Momof4gr8kids
10-23-2007, 12:44 PM
EXACTLY!!!
Doesn't WalMart care most about their bottom line? Wouldn't it be kinda damaging if they were sued because someone took the wrong medication because it was dispensed by a person with a low BG? Does WalMart really want a person with low BG filling prescriptions? I mean c'mon, it is in their best interest to make sure this man doesn't go hypo. For no other reason than protecting their own behinds, you'd think they'd want to keep their one pharmacist functional enough to dispense medication properly.
Why not just fire him because of his diabetes instead :rolleyes:
Ellen
10-23-2007, 01:17 PM
I wonder how much money Wal-Mart makes on diabetes medications and diabetes supplies. If the public that purchases their diabetes meds etc. at Wal-Mart knew that Wal-Mart discriminates against someone with diabetes, how would that impact their profits? I'd like to see that aspect emphasized in the news. (disclaimer, I boycott this company for many reasons)
Traci
10-23-2007, 01:24 PM
Just wanted to chime in here and say that our Walmart pharmacy closes every day for 1/2 hour from 1:30 to 2 while our pharmacist is at lunch. There's a big sign posted, so it is not an occasional thing...it's everyday.
This story really hits hard--how can people and companies be so cruel?
I have bought my last glucose tabs at Walmart, and will not be returning.
JenLee777
10-24-2007, 03:49 AM
I've worked for Walmart twice in my life, once for three months when I was 19, then again recently last year for approximately the same time frame. I don't love them by far, but I don't hate them either even though I am quite unhappy with the changes theyve made and are continuing to make. First time I left due to poor control, I had an exceptionally hard time then with it(MDI at that point), second time I left due to moving back home. I think it depends on the store you work for and the people you work with, both stores I had worked for always were great. I told the store manager on opening day I was low at the first store I worked at, she went and grabbed me a soda and bag of Scooby fruit snacks from the counter display for me and I was never charged or anything for the food, she even covered my till and ran my register so I could eat, test and get my sugar up. It was mandatory at both stores to take two 15s and an hour lunch for an eight hour shift, a 15 and a 1/2 hour for six hour shift, even in the pharmacy, if you didn't you were reprimanded or fired straight off. Second store I worked for, I worked in the Deli, which rules were no eating but they let me test and eat as I needed to there at spur of the moment in the back(I always washed my hands obsessively and kept gloves on while serving customers and all that). I think the specific store involved needs to be reprimanded somehow, especially the managment involved. Another issue is though that often people think of type one and two in being the same, people do not understand the differences nor do they understand that you cannot plan for absolutely everything, diabetes in control is still difficult to manage. Sometimes I wish type two was called something else completely, especially since it's so prevailent now, or so it seems.
Anywho... Just my two cents.
hypercarmona
10-24-2007, 08:52 AM
I think part of the break issue has something to do with being salaried, as they have different "rules" concerning breaks than do people who are hourly workers. In my experience, unless you are just a horrible person to work with, are stealing drugs, or perhaps just P-ing off the upper management, pharmacists usually get their way with regards to their schedule and lunch breaks. It looks to me like they were just fishing for a way to get rid of him, and chose poorly. Or got lucky, depending on which way you look at it. They got a lucky break with the judge at least, because it seems like they were able to find the ONLY person on the planet who doesn't actually know anyone with diabetes.
Mom2rh
10-24-2007, 10:37 AM
I just want to reiterate again that this story is not about big bad Wal Mart. Listen to it. It is about the business community wanting to eliminate many people from protection under ADA...including people with diabetes and epilepsy. They say if "medicine" can "fix" it, it's not a disability. The extension of this is...if, like this pharmacist, gets fired because of diabetes, sues, and loses, he may have to pay Wal Mart's legal bills in defending themselves. And, if people with diabetes lose their protection under ADA...our kids will no longer qualify for their 504 plans because they will not be considered disabled.
As parents, we need to make sure the ADA is protected and expanded so our kids get the protection they deserve throughout their lives.
Armyemily
07-11-2008, 04:55 AM
From what the courts are saying... Someone with a spinal cord injury that can function in a wheelchair is not disabled. Or someone who has mild alzheimer's and is fired because of it but they are not having sympotms at the time they go in front of the judge is not disabled. Some one who has High Functioning Austism or Asperger's and is fired/or not hired becuase they can not look someone in the eye or because they do not understand social cues is not disabled because they can preform every other task to live.
I mine for real you can strech that any way you want to.
deafmack
07-11-2008, 05:29 AM
This case has been on before. The judge was clearly wrong in their decision and clearly did not understand Diabetes. Saying this one also has to look at State Labor Laws as well. I don't know what the employment laws in Nebraska are and would have to do some research, but here in Washington your employer has to give you equivalent to 2 15 minute breaks and one 30 minute break for an 8 hour work day. It would be less if you worked part time.
They did pass the ADA Restoration Act if I am not mistaken recently so hopefully somethings will improve. I don't care how well you handle something, if you have a disability or condition that affects a major life activity such as diabetes then you should be protected by the ADA. Doing things to better one's life or to manage Diabetes should not take those protections away.
StillMamamia
07-11-2008, 05:59 AM
"The law was passed to cover people who truly had problems pursuing major life activities," says Randy Johnson, vice president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce for labor, immigration and employee benefits issues. Johnson says the courts got it right when they tried to make sense of the ADA's broad definition of who is disabled.
Major life activities? How about just plain pursuing normal life? Needing insulin to pursue life, heck, for living? There's a big loophole with this statement, and if someone can break it down into what it entails, then diabetes will fit into it like a glove. It's not an issue with control, it's an issue with needing insulin to live, period.
The guys at Walmart need some major human ressources and psychological training, IMO. And they should have found a substitute to cover for the guy or find a reasonable compromise.
I do also think there's more to this story than just the 'diabetes/taking a break' issue.
Kudos to those who'll be writing to your reps!
Ellen
07-11-2008, 08:53 AM
I haven't had a chance to read all the posts, but you may be interested in this:
July 15, 2008 Public Hearing on Proposals to Amend ADA Regulations to be Webcast Live(posted 07/07/08)
Public Hearing on Proposals
to Amend Regulations
under Titles II and III of the ADA
to be Webcast Live
http://www.ada.gov/images/teeltow.gif
The Department plans to broadcast the public hearing on the proposed revisions to the ADA regulations live over the Internet on July 15, 2008.
The webcast will be provided in Windows Media and Real Media formats. Real-time captioning will be provided.
Details concerning the Webcast, including instructions and system requirements, will be posted soon on this page.
Return to Public Hearing Page (http://www.ada.gov/NPRM2008/nprmhearing08.htm)
Tamara Gamble
07-11-2008, 08:58 AM
Ellen, I am so glad that you posted this. I was about to do the same. It has passed. There is supposed to be more focus on our rights to uphold the ADA. If I were this person I would contact the ADA and have them fight for me. They have probably already contacted him.
Tami
TracieandJim
07-11-2008, 09:10 AM
Granted this isn't particularly about 'Walmart' but its discrimination no matter how you slice it. Will they fire the next person cuz of say.. heart disease? The walmart I shop as several signs posted that say if only 1 pharmacist is on duty then it will close from 130p-230p. I saw it just 2 days ago and thought it interesting but fair.
Also.. I was at the walmart pharmacy for meds for DH and I picked up a copy of their $4 meds list. They carry diabetes meds but has anyone ever noticed they are all tablets?
andeefig
07-11-2008, 09:15 AM
One of the largest Wal-Marts in the country is about 15 minutes from me. A couple people at my church work there and I hear they treat their employess like absolute CRAP! I hate to admit that I like to do "one stop shopping" there and I do get Max's meds there, but now I'm secomd guessing.
"It wasn't intended to cover people who had minor problems that could be correctable through minor fixes, such as glasses or drugs," he says.
Are you kidding me?!?!
RosemaryCinNJ
07-11-2008, 09:16 AM
Dear Charlotte...That is a horribly sad story but it happens by employers every single day in this world and they are getting away with it..they simply site any other reason for termination OTHER than the one (such as diabetes, or any other disability) they fired for so they get away with it. I beleive the term is "loop hole"...This is a disgrace! Sure a good attorney could file a lawsuit and it takes years for vindication if the terminated person can "prove" they were fired due to their disability...its horrible! I hate to think of any of our children being treated this way in the future..and god forbid they are..the pit bulls in us will come out!! Thank you for sharing that story.
Ellen
07-11-2008, 09:21 AM
WalMart has a lot of political power - as do many corporations.
For the most part, I don't shop there. You may be interested in this website:
Wal-Mart Watch (http://walmartwatch.com/)
Also, Stephen Orr's testimony before the Senate
http://www.c-c-d.org/task_forces/rights/ada/SenOrr.pdf (http://www.c-c-d.org/task_forces/rights/ada/SenOrr.pdf)
TracieandJim
07-11-2008, 09:25 AM
Soo.. lets say this proposal is approved. What will happen to our 504 plans? Family leave act?
The law was passed to cover people who truly had problems pursuing major life activities," says Randy Johnson, vice president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce for labor, immigration and employee benefits issues. Johnson says the courts got it right when they tried to make sense of the ADA's broad definition of who is disabled.
"It wasn't intended to cover people who had minor problems that could be correctable through minor fixes, such as glasses or drugs," he says.
I don't think I have ever wished diabetes on anybody until I read this. If he were to be struck with diabetes he may learn that it's a little more complicated than a person with vision problems getting a pair of glasses!
I think more than just parents of type1 kids should be worried about this. It sounds to me like they would prefer to abolish the whole thing. I would guess that this sort of thing happens often and this made big news because it involves Wal Mart. If they have the support to change the definition of disabled then it only stands to reason that this CANNOT be an isolated event.
I guess this is the other side of the coin. There are so many medical advances to make the lives of all disabled people better. Now the suppport of the law is flipping to the businesses. It's frightening.
TracieandJim
07-11-2008, 09:59 AM
Another thought... so.. a person who has no legs, in a wheelchair would be protected under the ADA. This person one day receives prosthetic legs, is therefore under 'control' shouldnt be covered under the ADA.
moco89
07-11-2008, 10:07 AM
Well, you know, that's why they're trying to pass the ADA Amendment Act (formerly restoration act). The American Diabetes Association has strong support of it. If you go to diabetes.org, you will find articles about even more scary cases. I mean really scary.
Here's some of the cases. http://web.diabetes.org/Advocacy/Employment/9EffectofSuttono.pdf
I also heard rumors that walmart is lobbying against the passing of the bill. I hope that's not true, because something just doesn't seem right about that.
http://www.diabetes.org/advocacy-and-legalresources/discrimination/employment/ADArestoration.jsp
TracieandJim
07-11-2008, 10:09 AM
I also heard rumors that walmart is lobbying against the passing of the bill. I hope that's not true, because something just doesn't seem right about that.
Oh please! Why would Walmart lobby against it? I dont get it. I understand issues that a large company would have over time but are they that ignorant?
moco89
07-11-2008, 10:11 AM
I don't know, but the ADA Amendment Act passed last month in the house on June 25. It's probably going to be fine.
http://dayinwashington.com/?p=141
HR 3195 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-3195
TracieandJim
07-11-2008, 10:13 AM
I don't know, but the ADA Amendment Act passed last month on June 25. It's all good.
http://dayinwashington.com/?p=141
ok ok.. I will calm down. :o
moco89
07-11-2008, 10:16 AM
ok ok.. I will calm down. :o
I'll take that back, sorry. It only passed in the house, so far. Eventually it will be introduced to the senate. But notice the cases are only job-based on the ADA site, as well.
Kaylee's Mommy
07-11-2008, 10:19 AM
I don't know, but the ADA Amendment Act passed last month in the house on June 25. It's probably going to be fine.
http://dayinwashington.com/?p=141
HR 3195 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-3195
do you have a link to the actual act, what it has in it? the link above is just saying it past, and how they did it, but I'm interested to know what its in.. and how its protecting people.. thanks:)
I found this, which is basically what you had, plus a little extra.. but still not what I'm looking for:rolleyes:H.R. 3195: ADA Amendments Act of 2008
jendean
07-11-2008, 10:22 AM
I want to know who the judge was. Believe me I will be writing a letter.
What crap.
Caydens_Mommy
07-11-2008, 10:22 AM
I have also previously worked at a Wal-Mart and we were never denied our lunch breaks, but there are lots of crooked things that go on there..
Now in terms to this store, our local Wal-Marts and most that i have ever been to, have a sign in their pharmacy that says when only 1 pharmacist is working the pharmacy will close from 1-2 I think the time is.. Is that's kinda strange that the walmart pharmacy in question did not do that.. I do think what Wal-mart did was ridiclous and also find it ridiclous that the court did not see anything wrong with it as well.. That's really sad..
moco89
07-11-2008, 10:26 AM
HR 3195 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:4:./temp/~c110zwLRyA::
BTW the American Diabetes Association supports this bill, and it DOES protect people with D.
If you think the Wal-mart case was bad, wait until you read some of the cases I posted in that link from the ADA website!
Kaylee's Mommy
07-11-2008, 10:42 AM
HR 3195 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:4:./temp/~c110zwLRyA::
BTW the American Diabetes Association supports this bill, and it DOES protect people with D.
If you think the Wal-mart case was bad, wait until you read some of the cases I posted in that link from the ADA website!
I went to that link and it said that searches were only held for a limited time, and then deleted:rolleyes: so if someone else is looking they have to put in the name of the act, and then it'll come up..
moco89
07-11-2008, 10:53 AM
I went to that link and it said that searches were only held for a limited time, and then deleted:rolleyes: so if someone else is looking they have to put in the name of the act, and then it'll come up..
Click on the hyperlink "See Full Bill Text" on this page http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h3195/show
Ellen
07-11-2008, 11:01 AM
Oh please! Why would Walmart lobby against it? I dont get it. I understand issues that a large company would have over time but are they that ignorant?
It's all about MONEY.