Can you give me some protein recommendations?

[Nancy in VA]

My CDE is recommending giving Emma a little protein at bedtime to keep her BG up overnight.

She doesn't eat a snack at bedtime and we don't bolus (obviously)

Can you recommend an easy protein-snack with no carbs so we don't have to do another bolus - we have a decent checking schedule WITHOUT a bolus at 8pm

[Bsbllmom]

How about any kind of meat or cheese? When Christian has his snacks he will have an apple or crackers and string cheese.

[BarbaraM]

Over here we live on string cheese, ham rollups, sliced Colby & Jack Cheese (from a block), hard boiled egg whites (she won't eat the yellows) and cashews (although there are some carbs there...).

Hope that helps:)

Barbara

[Tori's Mom]

string cheese, cubed cheese, peanuts, cashews, lunch meat like deli ham, turkey, etc. Tori always liked deli meat cut in cubes as well.

[Caynuns mom]

we do string cheese, Taylor pork roll, slim jims, deli meat rolled up with a slice of cheese inside, peanut butter crackers, and cheese cubes. I found a great recipe (I think on here) for some peanut butter balls that are great for a bedtime snack to hold the bg I'll look for it and post it for you (my son is 3 and he loves them).:D

P-Balls

Slowly absorbed carbohydrates to help prevent nighttime hypoglycemia

Ingredients

8 Tablespoons of Corn Starch
8 Tablespoons of Peanut Butter
1 oz of Rice Krispies
1 Tablespoon of Chocolate Chips (1 oz.)
1-1/2 Tablespoons of Equal
2 oz cold water

Directions

Place ingredients in a bowl and mix. Form into 8 round balls of equal size and refrigerate.

Nutritional Information

Serving size: 1 ball
Yield: 8 servings
Exchanges: N/A
Nutrition: 153 Calories, 4 g Protein, 16 g Carbohydrate, 9 g Fat

Recipe from Dennis Cardone

[sam1nat2]

my ds likes to make these on nights he doesn't get many carbs---
sugar free pickle, cream cheese and wrap a piece of salami around it!!

[Heather(CA)]

How about a spoon full of peanut butter???..:cwds:

[Ali]

Peanut butter has some carbs, if I am recalling my labels correctly. I know my all natural PB (zero added sugars) has carbs in it and the regular store bought i.e. Jiff, has more from the added sugar. For pure protein the pickle, cream cheese and salami sounds great!! We also use lucheon meats, pepperoni, salami, eggs. cold roast beef dipped in mayo is great also. Good luck.

[Kaylee's Mommy]

how about string cheese?

[Lizzy731]

My CDE is recommending giving Emma a little protein at bedtime to keep her BG up overnight.

She doesn't eat a snack at bedtime and we don't bolus (obviously)

Can you recommend an easy protein-snack with no carbs so we don't have to do another bolus - we have a decent checking schedule WITHOUT a bolus at 8pm


I was just wondering why the CDE didn't recommend a carb with the protein? From what I have read in the pink panther book and elsewhere that a carb should be included with the fat/protein to keep the BG from dropping low. If you just give a protein, then there is no carb to be slowly absorbed overnight to keep her BG from dropping low.

That being said, I usually give Bethany something with PB on it, crackers, graham crackers or I put a little corn starch in her ice cream. If she is low prior to the snack, I subtract a few free carbs off the bolus. She never goes low if she has a BT snack.

[Heather(CA)]

Peanut butter has some carbs, if I am recalling my labels correctly. I know my all natural PB (zero added sugars) has carbs in it and the regular store bought i.e. Jiff, has more from the added sugar. For pure protein the pickle, cream cheese and salami sounds great!! We also use lucheon meats, pepperoni, salami, eggs. cold roast beef dipped in mayo is great also. Good luck.

Peanut butter is 7 grams for 2 tablespoons, we consider 7 grams or less free. I doubt a spoonful would be more than 2 tablespoons.;)

[3js]

Peanut butter is 7 grams for 2 tablespoons, we consider 7 grams or less free. I doubt a spoonful would be more than 2 tablespoons.;)

this is what we give for his bedtime snack, with crackers. we don`t count the pb as we only give a tablespoon or so.

[Mama Belle]

We used to do a spoonful of PB or string cheese when we did bedtime snacks.

[hold48398]

We too used to do a lot of cheese and deli meats. We have also found some great 4 gram yogurts, called "Carb & Sugar control". Another favorite is a slice of turkey bacon.

[lynn]

Nathan like summer sausage.
He also LOVED deviled eggs when he was two. He wouldn't eat plain hard-boiled eggs, but if I mashed the yolk with some mayo and plopped it back in the white then he ate it up.
Do you guys give peanut butter to your kids who are under three? I thought that peanuts were supposed to wait to hopefullly avoid the development of allergy?

[wildfire6299@yahoo.com]

Hi,

I was told by our nutritionist that eating food that has a fiber of 4g or more will help hold the BS. It worked for my daughter when she would drop over a 100 points 2 hrs after breakfast. "Kashi" cereals are high in fiber and can make a good finger snack.

Good Luck

Sandy
Mom to
Heather, Non D
Meghan, Dx 2/14/07, pumping mm522 since 5/8/07

[wildfire6299@yahoo.com]

I forgot to add:

We were told you could deduct the fiber (if over 4g) from your carbs - worked like a charm for us.

Sandy
Mom to
Heather, Non D
Meghan, Dx 2/14/07, pumping mm522 since 5/8/07

[Nancy in VA]

I was just wondering why the CDE didn't recommend a carb with the protein? From what I have read in the pink panther book and elsewhere that a carb should be included with the fat/protein to keep the BG from dropping low. If you just give a protein, then there is no carb to be slowly absorbed overnight to keep her BG from dropping low.

That being said, I usually give Bethany something with PB on it, crackers, graham crackers or I put a little corn starch in her ice cream. If she is low prior to the snack, I subtract a few free carbs off the bolus. She never goes low if she has a BT snack.

Including the carb will mean another bolus - another shot. Then we have to wait 3 hours to get a reading to see if she is back down into range from eating. This is just 2 hours after eating dinner (since she goes to bed around 8pm). And, in order to get enough carbs to be able to give a shot, we have to give 15 carbs (because we use 30:1 for snacks and 15 carbs gets us 1/2 unit - about the smallest we can get to)

[game2fun]

We never really gave any free foods for bedtime snacks while on shots. But some big hits here were Danimals drinkable yogurts at 15 grams and hoodsie icecream cups at 12 grams. Of course, that would mean another shot for you and I don't think this is what you're looking for, but it worked for us.

Now when she's hungry at night she usually asks for a piece of string cheese, which is carb free. But I'm sure you've probably tried that one.

What about some cream cheese on celery. Can't think of anything else that hasn't been suggested.

[Lizzy731]

Including the carb will mean another bolus - another shot. Then we have to wait 3 hours to get a reading to see if she is back down into range from eating. This is just 2 hours after eating dinner (since she goes to bed around 8pm). And, in order to get enough carbs to be able to give a shot, we have to give 15 carbs (because we use 30:1 for snacks and 15 carbs gets us 1/2 unit - about the smallest we can get to)

Then give less than 15 grams carb. I just bolus for it because she is on a pump. Just give a small amount of complex carbs (>10). When Bethany was on shots, we use to do this as well. I just thought that it was necessary to give carbs as well as protein/fat to "hold" your BG overnight. I may be mistaken but this is what I have read in my research.

[Nancy in VA]

Then give less than 15 grams carb. I just bolus for it because she is on a pump. Just give a small amount of complex carbs (>10). When Bethany was on shots, we use to do this as well. I just thought that it was necessary to give carbs as well as protein/fat to "hold" your BG overnight. I may be mistaken but this is what I have read in my research.

If we give her any carbs, we have to bolus or she shoots up. We've tried the "no bolus" route and it just doesn't work with Emma, unfortunately.

[Lee]

Why are you testing 3 hrs after every shot? We do this when we want to make sure her ratio is correct; but we do not have to do this every time.

Also, what does she wake up at? Our endo said if she wakes up under 115 or 120, then giving her 6 or less uncovered, high protien carbs would be good. I would think this would be exactly what you need to keep her bg up.

[Nancy in VA]

Why are you testing 3 hrs after every shot? We do this when we want to make sure her ratio is correct; but we do not have to do this every time.

Also, what does she wake up at? Our endo said if she wakes up under 115 or 120, then giving her 6 or less uncovered, high protien carbs would be good. I would think this would be exactly what you need to keep her bg up.

We check on the following schedule:
7:30am - wake up, pre-breakfast
11:00am - 3 hours after breakfast
12:00pm - pre-lunch
3:30pm - 3 hours after lunch, pre-snack
6:00pm - pre-dinner
9:30pm - 3 hours after dinner
12:00am - overnight
3:00am - overnight (sometimes we skip if the midnight is ok)

We check 3 hours after meals because we've only gotten about 2 weeks where her readings keep her stable before she starts floating up or down again. They say that is pretty typical of a 2 year old. I would like to cut out the 3ams all together, but she tends to go low between 3am and 7am, so the 3am reading tells us whether we need to "reinforce" her. But we never know - last night she was 180 at 3am (right at the upper end of her range) but was 67 at 7:30. The night before, she was 245 at 3am and 245 at 7:30am, virtually no drop at all. So, we can't count on any consistency with her.

The "6 uncovered high protein carbs" - are you talking peanuts or peanut butter. I'm just trying to get a good list of things. The other struggle we have is, again, she's 2. Making her eat at 3am (or even at 10pm) is often a struggle when she doesn't want to wake up to do so.

Ugh - this is so frustrating.

[georgia]

I still check 3 hours after most meals. It is not the same everyday. Our snacks (uncovered) vary depending on where she is a few hours after her insulin.

[A&Ds Mommy]

For bedtime snack, which is 2 hours after he is done with dinner, Dylan gets 1/2 cup of milk mixed with 1/2 packet of carnation instant breakfast no sugar added and 1/2 of a graham cracker. He only gets a shot of lantus at night, no novolog.

[Nancy in VA]

For bedtime snack, which is 2 hours after he is done with dinner, Dylan gets 1/2 cup of milk mixed with 1/2 packet of carnation instant breakfast no sugar added and 1/2 of a graham cracker. He only gets a shot of lantus at night, no novolog.

See, now, that would shoot Emma up 200 points - no doubt!

[Lee]

When my daughters 3am # versus AM #'s were out of whack, that pointed to a problem with the long acting insulin, not her carbs or quick acting.

You may have said in an early post, but I am going to assume that she has two different insulins: long acting (LANTUS) and quick acting (Novolog). I would talk to your endo about giving the long acting in the morning, or even splitting it between morning and night. 2 year olds are not expected to have to wake up at 10, 12, or 3 and eat a snack.

We had this same problem but once we got her Long acting figured out, she was fine at 3am and at 7am :>

Now that we are on the pump, it is even better. She is almost always right on at 3 and at 7! It is great!

And peanuts or peanut butter work great! I would put the peanut butter either on a piece of low carb bread or on celery. Or just a big spoonful of pbutter. That is always her favorite.

[Nancy in VA]

When my daughters 3am # versus AM #'s were out of whack, that pointed to a problem with the long acting insulin, not her carbs or quick acting.

You may have said in an early post, but I am going to assume that she has two different insulins: long acting (LANTUS) and quick acting (Novolog). I would talk to your endo about giving the long acting in the morning, or even splitting it between morning and night. 2 year olds are not expected to have to wake up at 10, 12, or 3 and eat a snack.

We had this same problem but once we got her Long acting figured out, she was fine at 3am and at 7am :>

Now that we are on the pump, it is even better. She is almost always right on at 3 and at 7! It is great!

And peanuts or peanut butter work great! I would put the peanut butter either on a piece of low carb bread or on celery. Or just a big spoonful of pbutter. That is always her favorite.

Last night she was low at 10pm - 57. So I gave her some juice and a handful of peanuts. She loved the bed picnic and it kept her up all night.

We had lows with Lantus between 3am and 7am when we took it at breakfast and we have them when we take it at dinner. Dr. was recommending moving it back to breakfast but CDE says don't bother. I love it when they agree!!

We're starting the pump process and while it will take a couple of months, I'll not have to worry about Lantus when we are off it and onto the pump. Then, we can adjust to a much lower basal for the 3am - 7am time that she drops low

[Lee]

I am happy you are starting on the pump. We are new to it, but it has made such a big difference in her life.