Carbs in egg!

[payam7777777]

100 grams of Hardboiled egg has 1.1 carbs while fried (no oil) egg has .9 carbs. So it DOES make a [minor] difference if we dont assume equal carbs in hard boiled egg and fried egg. Yet another minor bothersome difference.
Is it because i'm being too meticulus or it's just because i'm crazy?


http://www.calorieking.com/foods/calories-in-eggs-chicken-egg-whole-hard-boiled_f-Y2lkPTE2MDcxJmJpZD0xJmZpZD0xMTI5JmVpZD0xMDA5MTU3Mz ImcG9zPTEmcGFyPSZrZXk9ZWdn.html
http://www.calorieking.com/foods/calories-in-egg-dishes-chicken-egg-fried-no-added-fat_f-Y2lkPTExODA3JmJpZD0xJmZpZD02ODY1NyZlaWQ9MTAwOTE1Nz MyJnBvcz00JnBhcj0ma2V5PWVnZw.html

[selketine]

I think a 1 carb food can't have too much effect unless you are eating lots and lots of them.

[MrsBadshoe]

To meticulus with a side of crazy thrown in....LOL Seriously I agree that unless you have many many eggs where the combined total of carbs would add up then it really wouldn't effect you to any degree.

[selketine]

After thinking about this post some more - and the one on meat carbs - I wanted to add to my earlier post. I think you've certainly done (and doing) your homework on carb counting and you've gotten - it sounds like - very good at it.

However I think there comes a time to let the management of diabetes be more of an "art" than a "science." I'm the first one to praise my Salter scale and weighing food and so forth. I think if you become TOO wrapped up in figuring out exactly how many carbs a child is eating then you can end up being afraid to let them eat anything you can measure. It is important to know enough about the carbs in food to be able to make some intelligent guesses - but if you worry about the 2/10th's of a difference in carbs between the way it is cooked then that, my friend, is the road to madness.

I don't know if this applies to you and your nephew but at some point we all need to let our kids eat as normally as possible - healthy but with a few treats thrown in. And not be afraid to let them try things with their friends (at odd times of day) or a bite of Grandma's special casserole or whatever.

There was a mom once on the CWD chat who wouldn't let her type 1 daughter eat some of her favorites - fresh corn on the cob and watermelon - because she was afraid of the # of carbs in it. I think after William was first dx'd I found it difficult for awhile to work back in all those favorite foods - then adding mixed dishes and restaurant meals, etc. I realized one day when he asked for a banana and I didn't want to give it to him with his lunch - because it had so many carbs - that I was being STUPID. What kid would you refuse a banana with his lunch? It was a healthy appropriate choice! After that I always tried to think - "would I give this to him if he did NOT have diabetes?" and if the answer is "yes" then I try to accomodate him.

I just wonder if you try to keep such tight control over his bgl numbers and food carbs that you lose sight of letting him be a kid - spontaneous and a bit carefree - and afraid to let him try new foods. I really applaud all the research you do and care you take. Your nephew is very lucky to have you on his side.:cwds:

[Hollyb]

We don't even count anything with so little carb for its bulk. It's crazy making, and anyway an I:C ratio is kind of an estimate anyway...

Yes, we do count carbs in grapes (1 carb each) because you eat a bunch at a time and that adds up fast. But 2 carbs for a couple of eggs? Nah.

[payam7777777]

ThanksCarol.
We actually do try not to give him things by trying to distract him with games and whatnot. it'IS important though to let him have what he wants. but how? It's a trade off. Our carb/correction factors are not yet(never??) tuned enough.

[Twinklet]

I don't know if this applies to you and your nephew but at some point we all need to let our kids eat as normally as possible - healthy but with a few treats thrown in. And not be afraid to let them try things with their friends (at odd times of day) or a bite of Grandma's special casserole or whatever.

There was a mom once on the CWD chat who wouldn't let her type 1 daughter eat some of her favorites - fresh corn on the cob and watermelon - because she was afraid of the # of carbs in it. I think after William was first dx'd I found it difficult for awhile to work back in all those favorite foods - then adding mixed dishes and restaurant meals, etc. I realized one day when he asked for a banana and I didn't want to give it to him with his lunch - because it had so many carbs - that I was being STUPID. What kid would you refuse a banana with his lunch? It was a healthy appropriate choice! After that I always tried to think - "would I give this to him if he did NOT have diabetes?" and if the answer is "yes" then I try to accomodate him.

I just wonder if you try to keep such tight control over his bgl numbers and food carbs that you lose sight of letting him be a kid - spontaneous and a bit carefree - and afraid to let him try new foods. I really applaud all the research you do and care you take. Your nephew is very lucky to have you on his side.:cwds:

My husband and I are very Type-A personalities, and this was extremely difficult for us at first. We still weigh and measure everything, but our Endo/CDE have really helped reign in our compulsiveness. I remember being terrified of carbs when Emily was first diagnosed. She wanted a hot dog for lunch one day, with the bun. I didn't want to give it to her. I called the Endo office, and she got on the phone and said, "You give her that bun! She is a child! Give her what she wants! Just cover it with insulin! No foods are taboo!"

I still didn't quite take that to heart, though. Perhaps it was pre-conceived notions of what diabetes meant--I don't know. But a week later, I literally burst into tears when a child brought cupcakes into the classroom for a birthday. I ran to the phone and called the Endo. The CDE got on the phone and said, "YOU GIVE HER THAT CUPCAKE!! She is a CHILD. Treat her like one! She is no different than the rest of the kids, you are just giving her insulin manually. Now go give her a shot and let her have the cupcake!"

I think it takes awhile, when one is used to being very meticulous. Throw in the emotions that gather around it being a child you are responsible for!

It's been 6 months now, and with our Endo's help, I can finally say I'm not afraid of food anymore. Emily's class had a Thanksgiving feast on Monday. It was quite the buffet of casseroles and pies. Enough to send the "old me" into an emotional meltdown! But we hung in there and simply did an educated guess on the carbs on her plate. I let her eat whatever she wanted. Hours later, her blood sugar remained in target range!:D I realized then that our meticulous carb counting at home DOES have a pay-off--we are pretty good at guessing when away from home.

(OK, so we didn't do so well yesterday, but that will happen. It's life! ;) )

Anyway, I just wanted to say, go easier on yourself. I know it is very difficult to not want to "control" every aspect of this disease, as I struggle with this myself. But we do not want to get burned out and tired ourselves. I am there right now, and it does my family no good. I'm tired, grouchy, and emotional. I don't quite know how to cure that in myself, but I'm working on not being so compulsive. That is not to say I will stop measuring and keeping track of numbers, because I feel that is important, but it means I will try not to lose sleep over it and will try not to let Diabetes rule every thought that enters my head. "Try" being the operative word here---I'm not there yet, but I hope to be soon.

Just a few thoughts from one compulsive person to another! ;)

Anyway,

[muddymessalonskee]

I've been impressed by your attention to detail and desire to leave no stone unturned!

We are careful to count carbs, yet try to retain a healthy skepticism regarding the accuracy of our estimates, because the values on the carb count charts themselves are just averages. Our carb counter doesn't differentiate amongst apples, yet I know that apples have different concentrations of carbs. I'm very sensitive to sugars (although non-D), and some kinds of apples make me groggy and others don't. Sometimes we find that the carbs listed on the packages of prepared food don't have the expected effect on blood sugar, and the absence or presence of fat may affect the amount and length of after-meal bg spikes. If we could always believe the carb information in the charts and on packages, bg control would be a lot easier for the D members of our family. Another reason to get CGMS as soon as it's available here, regardless of the cost...

Deborah

[selketine]

I would say you give him the item and, based on what data you have available (the package label, food carb guides, etc.) take your best estimate on the carbs and go from there.

For example, when I make a pie (like for our recent Thanksgiving holiday) - I know what the ingredients are. I take the carb counts and add them up so I know the total # of carbs in the pie. Then I weigh the pie and figure out the carbs per gram of the pie. Then I give him a slice of pie. And I can say from doing this several times with baked goods that it tends to be .5 to .6 carbs per gram. I also can "eyeball" the slice or piece and have a good idea of how many carbs are in it. At least somewhere to start! That's how we cope with eating out or at someone's house where I don't weigh things.

We don't always get it perfect but we test often enough and catch any lows or highs if needed. We usually aren't too far off and we think it worth it for him to be able to eat with some degree of freedom - trying new foods and combinations of foods, etc.

[hold48398]

I just wanted to give this thread 5 stars. I think there are some really important concepts covered in here. Thanks for the contributions!

[zimbie45]

What we do it take our best guess, with what we are given.... at home i have a scale for things i need to measure, we have a wonderful carb book that is our "diabetes food bible... "Also we go by experiance...


ONe thing I feel is really important to add as a reminder is that you need to add in all the ingrediance that you add in to an itme when you make it.. for example if you make a thing of instant mashpotates, and it calls for milk, you need to make sure you take that milk into concideration for the carb count, because the box will not include this... If i dont measure by scale for something like for cookies, i figure out what the carb count is for total batch of cookies and divide that by how many cookies i have made from it.. this works great......... these type of things tend to be the hidden carbs alot of people forget to factor for, and they can add up... Just and fyi, but we are all so great, i know you all know this already

[TaeandTiff]

We need to feed the child not the diabetes... Reading some of your other posts, Kinda reminds me that I need to control Aydens diabetes and not have diabetes control me. I need to have him grow up as normal as possible. I remember, it tramatized me going to a birthday party, and not being able to eat any cake. I felt like a freak, which ultimatel lead to my denial of my diabetes, then my not taing care of myself, then my kidneys failing. I hate to be vivid but I hated diabetes because I thought it made me a freak!!!! I will not have my son growing up resenting me, like I did my mom and dad, for limiting him that much.
And 20+ finger pokes a day is a little harsh, when does Ali have time to be a boy? and when do you have time to be an Uncle? Please do not let this diasease rule your life.
When people ask about Ayden, I introduce him as "Ayden, my 3 year old son who loves Thomas the tank engine, and watching Caillou, he attends montessori school and has alot of friends there,....... oh yeah he happens to have diabetes.:)"

[payam7777777]

And 20+ finger pokes a day is a little harsh, when does Ali have time to be a boy? and when do you have time to be an Uncle? Please do not let this diasease rule your life.


i would if i could but cant so i dont.
Thanks for caring.

[selketine]

When William was first dx'd we did 20+ tests a day on him too. He would have such huge fluctuations on NPH (450 to 70 in 30 mins for example) that I just never knew how low he would go exactly. He was extremely sensitive to carbs and food and giving insulin was a crap shoot. He could not give any warning that he was low (he was in the 20's once and playing normally:eek: ).

We still test him about 15x a day. And he still gives zero warning usually that he is low. With pumping though (and perhaps age) he doesn't have those huge swings.

Anyway I can understand the testing thing. I think when in doubt - test. It was (and is) FAR more harsh on William to go low than for me to test him. Testing doesn't bother him at all but a low can affect him for hours afterwards.

I guess those of us who test more often can't understand how some people can test only a few times a day. We all must look through the prism of our own experience with the disease I suppose.

[Norajane]

Wow. This thread is intense. I count carbs and weigh at home, it does allow me to have a good educated guess when I am out. But I believe that you have to let a kid be a kid. Control your child's diabetes so that they are safe, but by being so exacting not only are you going to drive yourself crazy but your kid is going to end up with an eating disorder and how UNsafe will that be in his future? You have to lay a foundation of responsiblility without screwing them up! Mia also had a Thanksgiving Feast at school. I told her teacher to let her eat whatever she wanted within reason and I would correct when she got home and that's what we did. She got up to the 400's but was normal by the afternoon. No big deal.. and she enjoyed herself with the other kids without having to feel like a freak. I think it's okay to have days that are exceptions. You have to let go a little payam7777777 for your own good and Ali's. At least try. Good luck.

[peterb]

If we can get back to the egg for a minute, one thing I find important is not the amount of carbs in the egg/meat/fish, but the amount of protein. It took me a long time to figure out that if Sasha had a good amount of protein at meal time, he had a much smaller chance of going low later, for the same amount of carbs consumed. So I do +/-10% count of the carbs (e.g. I wouldn't count the egg in a typical 50g carb dinner), but if he ate the WHOLE egg then I know he will be more stable later. When he is stable, I can relax and test less often. Now I'm focusing more on getting him to eat his meat/fish/etc.

I've had a heck of a time keeping Sasha stable at night (I've got the bags under my eyes to prove it!), he's had lots of highs and lows over the last 2 years. Now that I focus on protein at dinner, it has gotten easier.

[payam7777777]

She got up to the 400's but was normal by the afternoon. No big deal.

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You have to let go a little payam7777777 for your own good and Ali's. At least try. Good luck.


Thanks for the advice. Sure. I'll try.