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Ellen
02-05-2006, 10:20 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/doctors-vow-to-stop-nurses-taking-their-jobs/2006/02/05/1139074109944.html

Doctors vow to stop nurses taking their jobs By Ruth Pollard Health Reporter
February 6, 2006



THE Australian Medical Association has vowed to ensure that "doctor substitutes" are never accepted in the health system, as 60 nurse practitioners today join the 71 already working in NSW hospitals.
Nurse practitioners - senior nurses who have had significant additional training - carry out work doctors usually do, such as prescribing medication, ordering tests and X-rays, and referring patients to specialists.
As the Health Minister, John Hatzistergos, announced the appointment of the additional practitioners, the medical association renewed its campaign against changes to the health workforce, describing it as the "dumbing down of medicine".
Mr Hatzistergos said nurse practitioners were already working in 21 specialty areas in NSW, including emergency, mental health, diabetes care, pain management, drug and alcohol, aged care and midwifery.
"Nurse practitioner services have been brought about not only because of increased demands, but because nurses have demonstrated their competence in a variety of extended practice roles," he said.
Mike Woods, who chaired the Productivity Commission's study into the health workforce, said expanding the role of those already in the health system was one of the best ways of easing the workforce shortages.
"We have to make more efficient and effective use of our workforce as a whole, and we have got to look at who is trained to do what and broaden the scope of practice," Mr Woods said after the study's release late last month.
But the medical association has maintained that "doctor substitutes" are not acceptable. "We owe it to our patients to make sure the quality of health care in this country is not lowered," said its president, Mukesh Haikerwal, in the journal Australian Medicine.
Mr Haikerwal said he would work to ensure that "doctor substitute proposals … do not see the light of day".
Jane Overland is a nurse practitioner at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, in Camperdown. She has specialised in diabetes since 1990, has a masters degree in public health, a PhD in diabetes management, and is on the board of the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation.
Most of Ms Overland's patients have type 1 diabetes, which is managed with insulin and a strong focus on diet and exercise.
"I see the people who are having problems with their blood-glucose control … I am able to look at their diet, lifestyle and exercise, and base their treatment regime on that," she said.
Ms Overland has been treating Lisa Collaguazo for 14 years, and has seen her through two pregnancies.
"When people are first diagnosed, I work out what medication they should take, start them on it and monitor them," she said. "Nurse practitioners aren't replicating services, but are complementing services."
Ms Overland will often conduct joint consultations with other specialists involved in diabetes care, such as renal (kidney) physicians or foot specialists.
In response to criticisms by the medical association, she said: "We are not trying to be medicos. The best way to gain their [doctors'] approval is to work beside them and for them to see that we are competent practitioners."

Red (aus)
06-27-2006, 08:50 AM
Here in Queensland the push has begun for Nurse Practitioners in many fields. D Educators already have extra powers, although not always to a Practitioner level, Sexual Health has Nurse Practitioners working throughout the State and many other specialised fields are looking at training or currently training their own Practitioners.
It's not about taking over doctor's jobs, it's all about putting the patient first and giving them the care that every individual deserves. We don't have enough doctors in the State to do this, and someone needs to pick up the slack.

rickst29
06-27-2006, 10:15 PM
An Advanced Nurse Practitioner (or, whatever particular name applies in your and other countries) has a verifiable increased level of knowledge as compared to a regular Registered Nurse. More Classes, Special Relevant Experience.

But Nurses DON'T have the verified level of knowledge and formal training that Medical Doctors do. They should have very close supervision, and there are certain areas (brain surgery, psychiatric drug prescriptions) where they would be a DISASTER.

If a Nurse wants to demonstrate that she/he has the knowledge and skill to act with the authority and responsibilities of a Medical Doctor, he/she should go to Medical School. Anything less is simply CHEATING.

This IS a life and death issue. I mentioned psychiatric drug prescriptions because this (i.e., APN prescription authority) has actually been proposed in at least one USA state... and diagnostic/prescriptive errors can easily lead to unnecessary Suicide, when the pt. could have lived a fulfilling and enjoyable life with proper treatment. (It's hard for even Board-Certified Psychiatrists to get it right. I know several, including my DW. She is often paid the big bucks to review and assess others' charts.) Diagnosis, Assessment, and Prescriptions made by APNs would KILL large numbers of people who came looking for help, wanting to get better.

Once you start down the road of lessening requirements, while the Knowledge and Techniques are becoming MORE complicated, who's to say where you stop? Profit-oriented insurance companies would prefer to have minimum-wage "burger flippers" doing innoculations, they're cheaper than Nurses.

Not anywhere near as safe for you, however.

My State, like Queensland, has large areas of low population. Specialist Dr's are flown (some fly themselves) or drive from place to place, and many APNs/NPs do practice here... WITH SUPERVISION. A shortage of Medical Doctors should be addressed by increasing the supply of Medical Doctors. It actually *IS* all about taking over MD jobs with less costly personnel.

Note that current Medical Doctors are among the most opposed to increasing Medical School Graduation rates: right now, many of them enjoy extremely privileged wages, due to their scarcity. As medicine in the USA becomes even more of a profit-focused business, run by insurance companies out to squeeze the MDs so hard that the make NOTHING or LOOSE money, however, a lot of the best ones will simply quit (making the situation worse). They include some of the brightest people around, and are quite capable of making a very comfortable living in other ways... without being JERKED AROUND by fscking insurance companies.

As with Nursing itself, the first problem you should address if you want to improve the SUPPLY is to fix the conditions which are making the current MDs quit.