dd got 3 vaccines!!!

[fredntan2]

my sister took my older nond child for well checkup. I wrote permission slip for her to only get the meningitus vaccine-she got thrree vaccines-chicken pox, meningitus, and something else- I told my sister to let her have only 1.
I heard of some kids getting d after having multible vaccines.

A quick search on google said that there is no link. I'm not so sure.
that will be just my luck if she gets d from multi vaccines
just great

[Nancy in VA]

There is no evidence of diabetes coming from vaccines.

Chicken Pox is now required for schools in VA - so that was probably one.

[BrendaK]

Aside from the D issue, how in the world did they get away with giving her 3 vaccines without your permission? I had to sign and initial documents for every single shot my kids got. If you did not do that, then how/why did the doctor/nurse do that? That is a HUGE lawsuit waiting to happen -- giving vaccines to kids without permission!

[fredntan2]

I sent in a letter giving my sister permission. but I wrote on permission slip that i wanted only 1 and I told my sister 'let her only get the meningitus" guess she doesn't liisten

[BrendaK]

I sent in a letter giving my sister permission. but I wrote on permission slip that i wanted only 1

Since you wrote that on the permission slip, I would be knocking on the door of that doctor's office demanding an explaination for what they did.

[fredntan2]

whats done is done.
nosense getting all mad at everyone. at least she won't get the meningitus or chicken pox

[Ivan's Mum]

personally I'd kick some butt. It's not on to do that without a written concent and you could (and should) sue their arse.

I am intendending on not finishing my 4 year olds immunisations. I certainly do not expect to have him immusines when my back is turned.

[caspi]

If your daughter's DTAP wasn't up to date, then that's probably the other vaccine they gave her. VA Schools require an updated DTAP in 6th grade.

[RosemaryCinNJ]

Fran...My baby was diagnosed with Type 1 before she ever even got those vaccines. MMR and chicken pox came after she was diagnosed.
I chose to immunize my child because the MMR and chicken pox and menigitis and all the other things could have devestating results on any child, especially a diabetic child.
and I have a Primary Immune Deficinecy disease so I definately cannot be exposed to any of the diseases at all...I know a while back there was talk of autism and vaccinations but I have not heard anything regarding Type 1. Trust me you do not want your child to contract menigitis, those results are death. I even vaccinated my teens against menigitis! (schools required it and I think its a good idea if it can save their lives!) It was a no brainer.

[RosemaryCinNJ]

Fran what was the other vaccine they gave your child by the way?? Was it a booster?

[Lee]

I do believe in immunizations - but I also believe in spacing them out! So, my DD got Menigitis a week ago. And she is going in for another in 2 months.

[Lisa P.]

I don't think vaccines cause type 1, although I do think sometimes they may be part of the complicated string of events that lead to onset. I just think we should consider everything that gets put in our kids' bodies and the up and down sides, and I think that just because they can do something doesn't mean they should. Personally, I think the chicken pox vaccine is horrible. I realize some kids have complications. But it is generally a mild disease for kids, a more dangerous one for older people. We vaccinate our kids when they are little, it starts to lose its strength after about ten years. Granted, there will be less pox around by the time this generation hits twenty and no longer sees a pediatrician and gets boosters. But it seems to me this was a cool new product they could sell, and they sold it to a bunch of state governments who mandated it for school. Gardasil is another one -- I don't really want to get into the hpv and "will teens always have sex anyway" debate, but how about just the fact that we now expect every young woman in this country to get a shot for something that boys and girls BOTH contract? I know girls are the ones who get cancer, but hpv is a sexually transmitted disease, vaccinating every young man would work also, wouldn't it? And boys get sick from it, too. It's one more in a long line of drugs and procedures and mechanisms pushed on women only in order to to solve perceived societal problems. Now, tetanus, that's a great one. Easy to contract, very dangerous, vaccinations given for years without any seeming problems.

[danismom79]

I don't think vaccines cause type 1, although I do think sometimes they may be part of the complicated string of events that lead to onset. I just think we should consider everything that gets put in our kids' bodies and the up and down sides, and I think that just because they can do something doesn't mean they should. Personally, I think the chicken pox vaccine is horrible. I realize some kids have complications. But it is generally a mild disease for kids, a more dangerous one for older people. We vaccinate our kids when they are little, it starts to lose its strength after about ten years. Granted, there will be less pox around by the time this generation hits twenty and no longer sees a pediatrician and gets boosters. But it seems to me this was a cool new product they could sell, and they sold it to a bunch of state governments who mandated it for school. Gardasil is another one -- I don't really want to get into the hpv and "will teens always have sex anyway" debate, but how about just the fact that we now expect every young woman in this country to get a shot for something that boys and girls BOTH contract? I know girls are the ones who get cancer, but hpv is a sexually transmitted disease, vaccinating every young man would work also, wouldn't it? And boys get sick from it, too. It's one more in a long line of drugs and procedures and mechanisms pushed on women only in order to to solve perceived societal problems. Now, tetanus, that's a great one. Easy to contract, very dangerous, vaccinations given for years without any seeming problems.

I'm with you on the chicken pox and Gardasil. Hep B is another one (given within a couple months of birth!). My daughter had a second chicken pox dose a year ago because they discovered it doesn't last as long as they thought.

[LantusFiend]

There is one vaccine with a proven link to type 1 diabetes. You've most of you heard of it because that's the one they're hoping will be a cure. Which confuses me, honestly.:confused:
It's the TB vaccine and it's only given routinely in Asia. Depending on the age it is given at, it has been shown to both increase and decrease rates of T1 diabetes.

[BrendaK]

To me the issue here is not whether or not a vaccine is related to D. It's the fact that the doctor's office vaccinated her child without the parent's permission. That is unexcusable, no matter what you believe about vaccinations and diseases. It is the individual parent's right to decide on the timing of the child's vaccines. What that doctor's office did is the same thing to me as your child coming home from school and saying the nurse gave them a bunch of shots -- without your permission!!!! There's NO WAY that would ever happen. And that's what this doctor just did!!!

[danismom79]

There is one vaccine with a proven link to type 1 diabetes. You've most of you heard of it because that's the one they're hoping will be a cure. Which confuses me, honestly.:confused:
It's the TB vaccine and it's only given routinely in Asia. Depending on the age it is given at, it has been shown to both increase and decrease rates of T1 diabetes.

I've read that having diabetes (not sure if it's one type or another) increases the risk of getting TB. And that the TB vaccine can accelerate the development of type 1, but doesn't necessarily cause it. Maybe there's some "cross-pollinization" of the information out there.

[danismom79]

To me the issue here is not whether or not a vaccine is related to D. It's the fact that the doctor's office vaccinated her child without the parent's permission. That is unexcusable, no matter what you believe about vaccinations and diseases. It is the individual parent's right to decide on the timing of the child's vaccines. What that doctor's office did is the same thing to me as your child coming home from school and saying the nurse gave them a bunch of shots -- without your permission!!!! There's NO WAY that would ever happen. And that's what this doctor just did!!!

She did raise some concern about possible links to D, though.

I think what it really comes down to is whether her sister signed the consent form. They might not accept letters.

[Lisa P.]

To me the issue here is not whether or not a vaccine is related to D. It's the fact that the doctor's office vaccinated her child without the parent's permission. That is unexcusable, no matter what you believe about vaccinations and diseases. It is the individual parent's right to decide on the timing of the child's vaccines. What that doctor's office did is the same thing to me as your child coming home from school and saying the nurse gave them a bunch of shots -- without your permission!!!! There's NO WAY that would ever happen. And that's what this doctor just did!!!

Yes, two things brought up, one was the reasoning behind delaying/avoiding some vaccines, but the more important one was who gets to make that decision. Anyone who lays a hand (or a syringe) on my kid without my permission is going to get me going all mama bear on her. You totally have a right to the frustration.

[caspi]

I'm probably in the minority here, but my take on this is........

This was a back-to-school physical. She needed the immunizations so that she could go to school. The person that was with her had to sign, acknowledging that the immunization was given - at least that's what they do where I live in Virginia. If that person that was with her had any issues with what they were doing, she should have said no and called the parent to double check, but she didn't. These are routine vaccinations that are given so that the kids can go to school. It's the law here in Virginia.

[Lisa P.]

I'm probably in the minority here, but my take on this is........

This was a back-to-school physical. She needed the immunizations so that she could go to school. The person that was with her had to sign, acknowledging that the immunization was given - at least that's what they do where I live in Virginia. If that person that was with her had any issues with what they were doing, she should have said no and called the parent to double check, but she didn't. These are routine vaccinations that are given so that the kids can go to school. It's the law here in Virginia.

I think every state has a way to opt out of some or all vaccines, some harder than others. I imagine the health care worker operated in good faith, a lot of folks in medicine think full vaccination is the obvious choice and it doesn't even really occur to them that anyone might have a good reason not to do so. But some offices and states operate as if the default is to give a vaccine unless they have a reason not to. I prefer that the default be not to ever touch my kid unless they have my approval (emergencies exempted, of course). From the original post, I'm assuming there was misunderstanding and not ill intent, but if everyone involved had the perspective that no chemicals hit a kid's bloodstream without sure and clear parental permission, the letter would have been read carefully or a phone call would have been made (it seems).

[Ivan's Mum]

we don't HAVE to immunise there but it's really frowned on it you don't. We immunise against menigacoccal (sp!) after subjecting my kids to 4 seperate injections each of this (what turned out to be trialed on NZ kids, the didn't tell us that!) vaccine, it turns out that most kids lost their immunity within 6 months of completing the dose.

I don't believe that T1 is caused by vaccines, but I now believe, after researching it due to issues with my 2nd son, that they ain't that and a bag of chips for certain kids.

I was appalled when I looked in to it and discovered what I had willingly signed with so called - informed consent.

As far as I'm concerned you're screwed either way, doing or not it's a risk. Plenty of kids have died from immunisation complications. It only takes your child to be affected by your choice for you to wish that you'd considered further.

SOrry, didn't mean to hijack with my anti immunisations blurb, it's just that it's something VERY current in my life.

[fredntan2]

its probably totaly my sister fault. but I'm not going to say anything to her.
I'm just grateful to have her here. she picked up megan from camp, took her to doc. I 'm pretty sure I did say to her that I only wanted the meningitus. I really wanted to space them out. she probably allready had the third one? what ever that one maybe. my sister can really drive me crazy. she is older but she just can't speak up. the doc probably said she's due for these 3 shots, and just didn't think to call me.
i'm still sick btw. going to doc this morning. fevers etc etc

we went on vacation this summer to st. john. with my whole family-sister, my family and our mom-my sister did not coook one meal. wanted to go out every night. the food was very expensive. i will never go on vacation with her again.
but thats another bytch session.

[Nancy in VA]

Yeah, I'm guessing that your sister gave consent but our docs have never been able to give my kids shots without me signing for each one.

I imagine if the doc said she needed them to go to school, the sister probably just thought they were fine and signed.