New Insulin Gel??

[Kelsmum]

Hi :)

My daughter was diagnosed Type 1 just under 2 weeks ago, so my knowledge is really limited and I havent gone any further than the basic maintenance in the first week at home.
Just wondered if anyone know what this new Non-Invasive Insulin Gel to possibly replace the use of needles is all about??
I came into the news flash on tonight's news hearing it is used on the skin and they are currently trying to invent one that can maybe last up to 8 hrs so far. Early next year they will be doing a study on heaps of well subjects with recent diagnoses.
Is there anywhere I can find out more??

[Jeff]

I've never heard of an insulin gel that would replace insulin injections for kids with type 1 diabetes.

Even if there were a patch for delivery of basal insulin, precise dosing would be the challenge and it would not take the place of mealtime insulin.

[Ivan's Mum]

I there I too saw that article and it was my search for insulin gel on the web that lead me to this site and your posting so thank you, it's a great site.

All I remember is that they're doing tests on type 1 patients shortly and that it absorbes thru the skin in to the blood stream. It sounded very promising to me and I cannot wait to hear more about it.

Anything to avoid injections on the 5 year old and even if we could afford a pump ($7,000) imaginenot needing to rotate the injecting site.

I hear they have insulin inhailers in the UK. I wonder if we'll get them here (NZ & OZ) ant time soon.

All the best.
Francesca

[Jen Jen]

Even with the inhaled insulin, you still need to take shots of long acting insulin. Insulin can actually be pretty nasty stuff, so in all honesty, I would rather not use it in gel form on my skin, nor inhale it.

[Red (aus)]

Insulin Gel (http://www.phosphagenics.com/main/Release_24-08-2006.htm)

[Nikki]

Hi guys, thanks for sharing that. I hadnt heard about it at all, and its good to know what is being tested and trialled. Again, thanks for the link and info!:)

[Winniethe]

:rolleyes: Hi everyone I am new here... but not new to the idea of Alternative treatments... And as soon as my son was diagnoised with type 1 diabetes. I thought immediatly that night of three elements or Forms that medicine could take and then enter into a body. Knowing that insulin in its basic and purest form is a protein... which as we all now know would normally be made by our body.... How else could you introduce these elements into the body...???? 3 elements that I thought of...
Powdered... which could also be compressed into pills... or inhaled...
Liquid... which of course would have been in either Shot... Gel or lotion form.... or even pills... gel in pills... but remember... the stomache acid would most likely KILL the insulin before it gets through the system... so where else could the gel/ Liquid be absorbed through that would introduce it into the blood stream.

My thoughts were Nose... Inhaled... Cheek... because I actually Read Canada was actually DOING that... putting a gel based insulin in the cheek.
The bottom of the feet... blood vessels galore... plus the added benefit of massaging the feet if it was in lotion form... of course good for diabetes and links to foot problems. And also I was thinking Through lymph nodes or other glands... but at the same time that those would be direct passages to the blood stream... they are also the "sewage system of our body" so to speak... toxins and such come out them... so I wouldn't want to introduce the "good stuff" in the way the bad stuff comes out.


Since Insulin likes Cold an asthma type spray inhaler that goes straight to the lungs may work well for that.... Unsure about that one though... although The powdered based insulin that was taken off the the market this last year was working quite well and that was absorbed into the lungs...

It was taken off the market NOT because it didn't work... but because it didn't sell well with the public or the doctors... This makes NO sense to me... I am assuming that the powdered insulin (protien) had an UNPLEASANT smell... and THATS why it didn't sell like hot cakes... Or maybe the box wasn't pretty enough....


When I passed these ideas to the Specialits here in NC. they plainly told me... Shots are the ONLY way that it can be introduced to the body... Well... Obviously they are full of crap. Well then if it was possible... It isn't legal medicine for the united states... Well of course its not... Would you like to know why? Because You bought the $7,000 pump... and then you pay however much more for the shots... and then the long term insulin... And if they offered it in a tube... IN gel FORM... THEY WOULD NEED?? Gel... a Tube??? Possibly sugar free flavoring???? And since they can't patent INSULIN... since its a protien... and the fact that there are plenty of natural based PLANT products that produce a NATURAL based "gel" that would WORK just fine... well then golly gee.... Our rich doctors... rich hospitals and RICH pharmacuticals wouldn't let our Rich Government approve such Nonsense.... Cheaply made products are outsourced to China didn't you know?????????


When I told these Doctors that the product was being used in Canada... they informed me I was American... Not Canadian... and that using Canadian medicine that is not approved for our Country would be AGAINST the law... Well of course... How could the pharmacutical Lobbiests Afford to Pay our blessed Government officials? Remember Kids... Canada has FREE health care..... and doctors get paid Squat there... just like Everyone else...

Feel Free to comment!


Good Luck all... I paid my $100 dollars for my 1 month supply of meds for my son... after my insurance paid there 80%... and you know what? The box wasn't even pretty.

[Daxdog]

Personally I think I would still stick with a pump after insulin gel is approved because you never know how good of control you will get with a gel. I just don't know how well it would absorb. Is it like a gel you put on your skin or in your mouth? If skin, What if some gets wiped off? If mouth, what if you swallow some and your stomach kills it? It would not be as efficient as insulin shots, I am sorry to say.

[Winniethe]

It wouldn't be a Gel that you would just leave sitting on the skin long term. It would be rubbed in upon applying and absorbed Right then. In the same sense of you questioning if it would be effective and would reach the blood stream to start doing its job... the short insulin needles... being stuck into the fatty tissue? Who would think that would work as fast as it does? I didn't think it would... but it does... Our body quickly absorbs it...


Besides... its a simple test to see if its working properly... The blood sugar tests.... If the blood sugars were tested and were high??? And then you introduced the insulin to the body through the gel instead of the shots... and then you waited??? even 5 minutes to 15 minutes like the shots generally take.... and it had started dropping... you would know that it was absorbing... yes... then how much absorbed into the blood stream... (like I said the same question could be asked about the shot)... But with some research etc.... they could get the numbers and dosing right to make it work. Canada's diabetes is not any different then American diabetes.... they are not Martians up there...LOL... If it works there... it would work here...


Let me put it this way... the reason its not WORKING here... is because Canada has "free health care" so the Government is controlling and absorbing the costs... Hence... lower costing products are welcomed and encouraged.

America... We have the pyramid of FDA or government Trickles down to Pharmacuticals... Then to Hosptials and doctors. Lobbiests are hired to keep the government and Pharmacuticals talking and connected... (not to mention the pay offs that we all know happens behind closed doors..) If they are making $7,000 off the pump... they certainly wouldn't want to come up with a product that say???? could be made for.... Hmmm... I'll even calculate high... $5.00 a tube? They would be LOSING money... Companies can't run if the Plus profits go in the Red. Not to mention the added costs that go into the shots... Its a Cash cow.
I'm not saying the shots are bad... (though my son does seem to agree... that less pain WOULD be nice... He would welcome that.) They work very well... And they did make that fancy shot givin machine...And if they never ever ever allow for Cheap treatment to enter the U.S. Like I am thinking they won't... EVER... NEVER... then well golly gee... I am sooo on board with payin the $7,000 to make the job easier and less tramatic then the alternatives for my child.... And that kiddies... is where they got ya...LOL...

By the way Insurance companies... This is where U come in and say... well Golly gee... They only paid $4,000 for coverage a year for the entire family.... and we are paying the majority of money into the pump... and the needles... and the insulin... and the strips for the tester... and... well... this doesn't seem right... Our company wants to make money TOO... and get you lobbiests to go hang out until its approved:p:eek::D


By the way... my Mom used to sew... and though she didn't use Hollow needles to sew with... they were only $2.00 for like 8... Hmmmmm

[StillMamamia]

Never heard of this, but would imagine combining the gel in a patch would probably work.

And I thought the spray insulin was taken off the market because it caused cancer in some people:confused: