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Ellen
01-08-2008, 06:59 PM
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/01/03/health-blog-qa-skipping-nih-to-study-stem-cells/

January 3, 2008, 10:36 pm
Health Blog Q&A: Skipping NIH to Study Stem Cells

Posted by Jacob Goldstein
President Bush’s 2001 rule limiting federally funded embryonic stem cell research gave rise to an archipelago of labs sustained without federal money.
http://s.wsj.net/media/bendala4_blog_20080103170214.jpgIn his latest WSJ column, Robert Lee Hotz writes (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119930064992262719.html) that those labs are pushing forward with their work even as recent studies have suggested that it may be possible to create embryonic stem cells from adult cells (http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2007/11/20/embryonic-stem-cells-without-the-embryos/), bypassing the embryo altogether and ending the political and ethical controversy that has surrounded stem cell research.
To get an insider’s view, the Health Blog spoke with Juan Dominguez-Bendala (http://www.diabetesresearch.org/AbouttheDRI/DRIFaculty/JuanDominguezBendala.htm) (pictured), an assistant professor who studies embryonic stem cells without federal funding at the University of Miami’s Diabetes Research Institute. Here are the highlights.
Why not stick with the stem cell lines that are eligible for federal money?
In general, cell lines are very different one from another. They have different abilities. In theory they should be the same. But we find that some lines differentiate better, some lines differentiate in certain ways. We didn’t want to be limited in any way.
So what did you have to do to study unapproved stem cell lines?
We had to subtract the square footage of the lab and the offices from the overall institute’s overhead, which includes power, water, sewage. Basic operation of any building is in part funded by NIH if you are an institute that has NIH grants. Even though my lab is part of the institute, it’s a sort of island without any NIH funding.
The problem comes when you want to do both federally funded research and non-federally funded research in the lab. That’s a nightmare. I understand that [labs that do this] had to start putting stickers on equipment saying this is an NIH culture, this is not.
Does the recent work indicating it may be possible to derive embryonic stem cells from adult cells have implications for your work?
It’s very interesting research. But at this point all these cell lines that have been created from adult cells contain at least four viruses to transfer genes into the cells. The problem is the viruses integrate randomly within the genome and you don’t know where they are going. The way it is right now, you cannot transplant these cells into people because of the risks associated with the integration of these viruses.
So to say that we have finally a non-controversial source of embryonic stem cells is misleading. We don’t know yet.


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Pavlos
01-15-2008, 11:00 AM
With all due respect to those who disgree, I find it disturbing that anybody can hamper scientific research on the basis of their political / religious / superstitious beliefs :mad:

Nancy in VA
01-15-2008, 11:29 AM
With all due respect to those who disgree, I find it disturbing that anybody can hamper scientific research on the basis of their political / religious / superstitious beliefs :mad:

Well, even though I don't think that response was respectful, I will respectfully disagree with you.

Its not a politicial or religious or certainly not a superstitious belief. It is a fundamental feeling and belief in our soul that a life is being killed when an embryo is destroyed. Not just for research - in any means. I have struggled with this a lot, even more so now that I have a diabetic child, but I still firmly believe that life begins at conception and I have serious concerns about destroying one life for the potential of another. I am quite encouraged by the research that has shown stem cells can be created from skin cells - that is a positive step towards what appears to be promising research with further destroying life.

hypercarmona
01-15-2008, 12:58 PM
Its not a politicial or religious or certainly not a superstitious belief. It is a fundamental feeling and belief in our soul that a life is being killed when an embryo is destroyed. Not just for research - in any means.

This is why I've got my hopes pinned on the pigs! The people over at LCT are way closer to a viable treatment for type 1 than what stem cells of any kind are.

Ernst
01-15-2008, 02:19 PM
... but I still firmly believe that life begins at conception and I have serious concerns about destroying one life for the potential of another. ...

So you think that it's better to let the left-over embryos, from IVF treatment (in vitro fertilisation), really be destroyed, than to be used for a good purpose?

The stem cell lines come from IVF treatment discarded embryos.

I can accept your point of view if you are against IVF treatment, but not otherwise.

Nancy in VA
01-15-2008, 02:33 PM
So you think that it's better to let the left-over embryos, from IVF treatment (in vitro fertilisation), really be destroyed, than to be used for a good purpose?

The stem cell lines come from IVF treatment discarded embryos.

I can accept your point of view if you are against IVF treatment, but not otherwise.

I'm not against IVF treatment. I'm against the way that the labs handle it with creating lots of extra embryos and then allowing them to be discarded. I do not believe they should be discarded - I don't think the argument of "well, if they're gonna be thrown away then its ok" because I don't think its ok that they were gonna be thrown away in the first place.

Ernst
01-15-2008, 05:54 PM
... I'm against the way that the labs handle it with creating lots of extra embryos and then allowing them to be discarded. ...

IVF treatment wouldn't be as successful as it is, if the doctors didn't have several embryos to choose between.

Nancy in VA
01-15-2008, 06:46 PM
IVF treatment wouldn't be as successful as it is, if the doctors didn't have several embryos to choose between.

I understand that - that doesn't make me feel any better about how the unused ones are discarded.